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Right, the 1851 census with the Hawke family - Patience Hawke is John Carpenter Hawkey's 2nd wife!!! All very confusing! But also relevant! :-)

Linda, the OPC will be happy for you to make contact. My husband is an OPC and he loves receiving enquiries :)

Gilllian..If you`ve ruled out the 1851 I posted because of daughter Christianna...what about the 1861 with wife Mary W???


People living with them with surname Rowe....{Elizabeths maiden name} so surely its the correct family?? Even if Elizabeths name got misheard and put down as Mary on the census, the age is completley out........

Elizabeth died in 1868 age 51, the wife Mary W is 35 years old in 1861.

Or is there another John Hawke/Hawkey who is also a blacksmith born c1812 in St Columb/ Colan { both come under the same registeration district.}

Will see if I can find him in 1841/1851.....


Nicky

Sorry it posted twice so have deleted 2nd thread...

Nicky, my reason for discounting the 1861 was that the OPRs showed only 2 marriages for John Carpenter Hawkey -the first to Elizabeth ended when she died 1868 and he married Patience 1869.I did wonder about the "Rowe lady and her child but it is a common name there and she is not stated to-be a relative
But I could be wrong!

The John Hawke posted in the 1861census appears in 1871 with the same grandson Henry now 15 but a different wife Winifred -he is Smith and lodging-house keeper.
So since JCH -(the right one )appears with Patience his new wife in 1871, I still think John Hawke can be disregarded

There is a public tree on Ancestry which has JCH's parents as
Richad B Hawkey 1769 -1863 and Thomasine Johns 1778-1843

Richard Bolitho Hawkey married Thomasine Johns 1810/1802

Their children per IGI were
Mary Ann Hawkey bap 5/12/1803
Elizabeth 5/5/1805
James Bolitho 29/9/1811
John Carpenter 23/9/1813
Ann Louisa Jane 2/12/1815
Amelia Thomasine 21/12/1818

all baptised Cuby/Tregony

This seems to be them in 1841
Cuby
Richard Hawkey 71 Schoolmaster
Ann 25
William 20 Tailors App

In 1851 Richard Bolitho Hawkey 81, Retired Schoolmaster, is head of house in St James Tregony -with him are daughter elizabeth and her husband Richard Barnfield
But although his death was not registered until 1863 Mar Q Truro I cant find him 1861

Parish Records Collection 1538-2005 baptism
Forenames: John Carpenter
Surname: HAWKEY
Sex: M
Relationship: Son
Date: 29 Sep 1811
Parish: Cuby with Tregony
County: Cornwall
Father's forenames: R B
Father's surname: HAWKEY
Mother's forenames: Thomasine
Mother's surname: -
Record source: Cornwall Baptisms
Data provider: Cornwall Family History Society

Parish Records Collection 1538-2005 marriage
Groom's forenames: Richard Bellithia
Groom's forenames alias:
Groom's forenames signed:
Groom's forenames BT:
Groom's surname: HAWKEY
Groom's surname alias:
Groom's surname signed:
Groom's surname BT:
Date: 18 Oct 1802
Bride's forenames: Thomasine
Bride's forenames alias:
Bride's forenames signed:
Bride's forenames BT:
Bride's surname: JOHNS
Bride's surname alias:
Bride's surname signed:
Bride's surname BT:
Parish: Veryan
County: Cornwall
Remarks:
Record source: Cornwall Marriages
Data provider: Cornwall Family History Society

Thanks Joy - I will contact the OPC.

It appears that there were a John Hawke and a John Hawkey, both blacksmiths living in St Columb Minor at the same time - how confusing can you get???

Yes, I'd got Richard Bolitho Hawkey and Thomasine Johns from someone else, and Richard's surname comes from his unmarried mother Mary Hawkey. I'm guessing a Mr Bolitho was the father!

I did find Richard Bolitho Hawkey in 1861 with his married daughter Elizabeth Bamfield/Banfield (born 1805) and her husband Richard born c1799 at 36 Fore Street, Tregony, Cornwall. Annoyingly I don't seem to have saved a copy so will have to find it again!

The William Hawkey who was a tailor's apprentice in 1841 is William Edward Hawkey, the great grandfather of my cousin; he became a master tailor having moved to London.

Thanks everyone!
cheers, Linda

Even more annoyingly I now can't find the Bamfields in 1861 (tried Banfield/Barnfield/Bamfield) - why is the 1861 census always such a problem on this site? It must have a huge number of mis-transcriptions or missing links! Grrrr! :-(

Ancestry has them as BANFIELD
1861 St James/ Tregony
Richard Banfield 61 Grocer and Draper b Tregony
Elizabeth 56 wife b Tregony
James 11 son b tregony
Ruth 25 daur Assistant b Ruanlanghorne

Please do, Linda. The OPC will have the records :)

Glad it all seems to have got sorted.........Typical 2 John Hawke/Hawkey both Blacksmiths ,same age ,same area...

Well done Gillian for managing to seperate them ...



Nicky

Thanks Gillian.

Found it! GR has them as Barfield! Grrrr again! But Richard B Hawkey is with them. :-)