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Susan,
yes,thats the correct walter stark and siblings,its the other half brothers ans sister im stuck on.
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Catherine,
Are we saying James and Jean had a daughter called Mary ?
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Susan,
I`ll make that clearer,sorry....the walter stark in st.georges road is correct...walter is my gt grandfather.
its his half brothers and sisters im stuck on.
Kev.x

A Possible for James family.

1881 Scotland Census
about James Stark
Name: James Stark
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Agnes Stark
Gender: Male
Where born: Cadder, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Anderston
Civil parish: Glasgow Anderston
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 144 Dumbarton Road
Occupation: Grocer & Wine Mercht. Employg 1 Man & 1 Boy
ED: 68
Household schedule number: 41
Line: 3
Roll: cssct1881_241
Household Members: Name Age
James Stark 40
Agnes Stark 41
Jessie Stark 6
John Stark 4
Agnes Stark 1

Susan,
As there is a Mary aged 15 on the census record you found,do you think James was married before he harried Jean Craig ?

Possible for Jean.

Will try to find Mary
Scotland Census
about Jean Starke
Name: Jean Starke
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Cadder, Lanark
Parish Number: 626
Civil parish: Cadder
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Craigenbay
Occupation: House Servant
ED: 6
Page: 1 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 1
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1851_150
Household Members: Name Age
James Robertson 36
Agness Robertson 27
Mary Robertson 7
Agness Robertson 2
Jean Starke 14
Marion Robertson 38

Susan,
your fantastic...you deserve a huge bunch of flowers !!!!!

Kevin

I am sorry but nothing concrete is coming up for Mary or Thomas.

I am getting dinner at present (live in OZ,WA) I will have another look later on.

Roses would be fine ...only joking.

I do not have access to bdm for Scotland ,that is a paying site with credits to purchase.

They also could have emigrated to who knows where.

Suex
:-D

Kevin, as well as the census, scotlandspeople has BMDs from 1855 onwards and parish records for before then.

You can view and download images of the original entries and Scottish BMD records give more info than English ones, eg birth entries have date and place of parents' marriage; marriage entries give mother's names as well as father's; death entries give parents' names.

familysearch has parish records and some BMDs from from 1855 to approx 1875.

Scottish baptism records usually have mother's maiden name.

You should be able to get documentary proof of all that has been found by buying some credits.

Sue and Potty,
Thank you so much.x

This is Mary's birth -

19/10/1823 STARK MARY Father JAMES STARK/ Mother JEAN CRAIG F KIRKINTILLOCH /DUNBARTON


The similar one I posted earlier are the children of James and Jean taken from Scotland's People.
Catherine

Another John Stark born to James and Jean Craig -

JOHN STARK Male

Event(s):
Birth:
25 APR 1833 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland


Parents:
Father: JAMES STARK Family
Mother: JEAN CRAIG

I believe this is the John with Mary Allan in the 1851 census I posted earlier.

Catherine

Catherine

Birth of Jean Stark =

JEAN STARK Female

Event(s):
Birth:
25 SEP 1835 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland


Parents:
Father: JAMES STARK Family
Mother: JEAN CRAIG


Cath

Birth of James Stark -

JAMES STARK Male

Event(s):
Birth:
16 APR 1838 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland


Parents:
Father: JAMES STARK Family
Mother: JEAN CRAIG

Catherine

oh wow !
so james and jean had a child before they married !

If the 1830 marriage is theirs, they had at least 3 children before the marriage - these are all the children of James Stark and Jean Craig from familysearch:

1. WALTER STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 20 OCT 1830 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland

2. JOHN STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 15 JUN 1828 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland

3. JOHN STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 25 APR 1833 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland

4. STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 03 JUN 1826 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland

5. JEAN STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 25 SEP 1835 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland

6. JAMES STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 19 SEP 1821

7. JAMES STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 APR 1822 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland

8. JAMES STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 16 APR 1838 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland

9. MARY STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 11 SEP 1823

10. MARY STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 OCT 1823 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland

Kevin all the children posted belonged to James and Jean. I was trying to find Thomas on the 1841 census at 8 months - he may have been the child of James and Mary. But no success as yet.

Catherine

Whoops! Just noticed that Jean died in 1832, so some, if not all, of the children baptised in Kirkintilloch must be from a different family, ie their were two couples with the same names.

Kevin, I would definitely check out those children on scotlandspeople - the images might have more info.

How do you know that Jean died in 1832?

I got that Jean died in 1832 from a relation but they didnt know much more than that.

Checking baptisms for Kirkintilloch of the 1820s/30s, there were at least two other James Stark listed as fathers.

One point to remember, the 1841 census does not give relationships, so the children in the 1841 might not be the sons and daughters of adults listed and the James and Mary might not be married.

Kevin, you really nead to work back through scotlandspeoples records.