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Potty

Thanks for your advice - sorry for gate-crashing this thread!

Minerva

It would be better if you start your own thread for William as your request may go un-noticed on this thread and it would be very confusing to have two families on the same thread - I only looked at it as I have already posted on it.

When you start your thread, please give as much info as you can, ie how you have got back to William.

William ROBERTSON b 1715 Fenwick, Stewarton, Ayrshire, d 1785 Stewarton - my 6x G grandfather.

Can anyone please trace William's wife and children? I have a generation missing from my tree. :-0

Any help will be very welcome. :-D

Hi Kevin

Yes, the 1861 transcription is wrong - the image isn't very clear but it definitely isn't Harp!

Is James's occupation on the marriage cert?

I am wondering where you got Jean Craig from as Walter's mother?

Walters dad was James as it says so on the marriage cert.
Walter was an engine driver and lived in west ham,stratford. the above census record must be a miss spell.
kev

This looks like Walter and Sarah in 1861 - mistranscribed. So the other 1861 I posted must be wrong:

1861 England Census
about Sarah Ann Harp
Name: Sarah Ann Harp
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Walter Harp
Gender: Female
Where born: Stratford, Essex, England

Civil parish: West Ham All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Stratford
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Piece: 1056
Folio: 74
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Harp 28 b Scotland, Engine driver
Sarah Ann Harp 20

Kevin, Do you have Walter's marriage cert? Is that where you got his father's name?

Ancestry has the baptism of his son, Charles James. Let me know if you would like details. It also has his marriage( Charles James).

There was another Walter Stark b1835 in Kirkintilloch whose DOB ties up better with the Walter living in London but his father's name was William.

There is this Walter in 1861 - occupation Porter. Could have gone on to be an Engine driver?

1861 Scotland Census
about Walter Stark
Name: Walter Stark
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkintilloch, Dumbarton S
Registration Number: 644/6
Registration district: Blythswood
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 42 Alston St
Occupation: Porter
ED: 22
Household schedule number: 36
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1861_105
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Mcintosh 65
Alex Bain 23
Walter Stark 26
David Sommerville 22

Potty,
Your right,i will get onto Scotlands people.
Thankyou very very much for your help.
Kev.

Checking baptisms for Kirkintilloch of the 1820s/30s, there were at least two other James Stark listed as fathers.

One point to remember, the 1841 census does not give relationships, so the children in the 1841 might not be the sons and daughters of adults listed and the James and Mary might not be married.

Kevin, you really nead to work back through scotlandspeoples records.

I got that Jean died in 1832 from a relation but they didnt know much more than that.

Whoops! Just noticed that Jean died in 1832, so some, if not all, of the children baptised in Kirkintilloch must be from a different family, ie their were two couples with the same names.

Kevin, I would definitely check out those children on scotlandspeople - the images might have more info.

How do you know that Jean died in 1832?

Kevin all the children posted belonged to James and Jean. I was trying to find Thomas on the 1841 census at 8 months - he may have been the child of James and Mary. But no success as yet.

Catherine

If the 1830 marriage is theirs, they had at least 3 children before the marriage - these are all the children of James Stark and Jean Craig from familysearch:

1. WALTER STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 20 OCT 1830 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland

2. JOHN STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 15 JUN 1828 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland

3. JOHN STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 25 APR 1833 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland

4. STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 03 JUN 1826 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland

5. JEAN STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 25 SEP 1835 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland

6. JAMES STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 19 SEP 1821

7. JAMES STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 APR 1822 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland

8. JAMES STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 16 APR 1838 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland

9. MARY STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 11 SEP 1823

10. MARY STARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 OCT 1823 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland

oh wow !
so james and jean had a child before they married !

Birth of James Stark -

JAMES STARK Male

Event(s):
Birth:
16 APR 1838 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland


Parents:
Father: JAMES STARK Family
Mother: JEAN CRAIG

Catherine

Birth of Jean Stark =

JEAN STARK Female

Event(s):
Birth:
25 SEP 1835 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland


Parents:
Father: JAMES STARK Family
Mother: JEAN CRAIG


Cath

Another John Stark born to James and Jean Craig -

JOHN STARK Male

Event(s):
Birth:
25 APR 1833 Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton, Scotland


Parents:
Father: JAMES STARK Family
Mother: JEAN CRAIG

I believe this is the John with Mary Allan in the 1851 census I posted earlier.

Catherine

Catherine

This is Mary's birth -

19/10/1823 STARK MARY Father JAMES STARK/ Mother JEAN CRAIG F KIRKINTILLOCH /DUNBARTON


The similar one I posted earlier are the children of James and Jean taken from Scotland's People.
Catherine

Sue and Potty,
Thank you so much.x

Kevin, as well as the census, scotlandspeople has BMDs from 1855 onwards and parish records for before then.

You can view and download images of the original entries and Scottish BMD records give more info than English ones, eg birth entries have date and place of parents' marriage; marriage entries give mother's names as well as father's; death entries give parents' names.

familysearch has parish records and some BMDs from from 1855 to approx 1875.

Scottish baptism records usually have mother's maiden name.

You should be able to get documentary proof of all that has been found by buying some credits.