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Elaine...I would suggest that this may be your Wm Meadows death...Reg Ncle Dec 1901
Meadows William aged 40yrs. 10b 70

I would also suggest that Brids parents are Michael McCabe and Marie Anderson....

Surely it gives her fathers name and Wms. on the MC

Household:1881

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Michael MC CABE Head M Male 48 Hetton, Durham, England Coal Miner
Mary MC CABE Wife M Female 42 Philadelphia, Durham, England
James MC CABE Son U Male 20 Penshaw, Durham, England Coal Miner
Annie MC CABE Daur U Female 10 Newcastle Scholar
Bridget MC CABE Daur U Female 9 Newcastle Scholar
Thomas MC CABE Son U Male 6 Newcastle Scholar
Michael MC CABE Son U Male 1 Newcastle


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Source Information:
Dwelling 43 Noble Street
Census Place Elswick, Northumberland, England
Family History Library Film 1342219
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5055 / 6
Page Number 5

Yes this is William and his parents and his sister in 1881. I have them from 1841 until 1901 and then not in 1911.

Elaine

Hi Erinoabragh1916

Yes, I have this family as the most likely but it is odd that she didn't give any of their names to her children. Also, I know Bridget had at least one sister born in 1885 called Jennie who does not appear with this family on the 1891 census but who is staying with Bridget and William in the 1901 census and who my aunt remembers very clearly.

Kind regards

Elaine

Hi Erinobragh 1916

In fact, in the 1891 census I can't find a good match for the family. There is a Micael McCabe around the same age, born in Hetton but with a differnt wife and some different children - some the same. His first wife could have died and these could be step children of his second wife but still no sign of Jennie who would have been 5 or 6 by then

Elaine

1891 census

Address: 13, Langley Street, Esh, Langley Park

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

MCCABE, Michael Head Married M 60 1831 Coal Miner Hetton Le Hole Co Durham
MCCABE, Ann Wife Married F 40 1851 Sunnyside Co Durham
MCCABE, James Son Single M 28 1863 Coal Miner Penshaw Co Durham
MCCABE, William Son Single M 18 1873 Coal Miner Cornsay Co Durham
MCCABE, Thomas Son Single M 16 1875 Coal Miner Norwood Co Durham
MCCABE, Gommer Son M 12 1879 Scholar Cornsay Co Durham
MCCABE, Michael Son M 10 1881 Scholar Lemington Northumberland
MCCABE, Mary Daughter Single F 17 1874 Stanley Co Durham
MCCABE, Ruth Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar Esh Co Durham
MCCABE, Ruth Daughter F 4 1887 Esh Co Durham

the wife is too young to have a son aged 28 so possibly a second marriage

also two daughters called Ruth is this one from each of the previous marriages (or should one be listed as a grandchild?)

or maybe the enumerator mades a mistake and one of these should really be Jennie

or as Bridget prefered her middle name of Mary maybe Jennie was the same, was she really Ruth Jennie

Yes - this is the different family
Wife's name and age have changes
William doesn't appear on 1881 census with them
Gommer doesn't appear on 1881 census with them. Very strange name!
Mary doesn't appear on 1881 census with them
And places of birth have changed.

In earlier censuses the only Michael McCabes I can find born around the right date are bon in Ireland.

I am very confused.

Elaine

Elaine....

Have you not got Bridget M ary's MC...???
What is her father's name..?

The Michael McCabe (1881) married to Mary Anderson were living in Ncle with 3 of their 4 children b Ncle.
There is a large gap between the births of James and Ann...could be some of the children were still working/had died.
There was def.a Jane b 1874 (Ncle) to the couple....
She is on 1891 Ncle St Andrews.
Michael could well have remarried...
Have you searched for a Death of Mary Anderson McCabe..?

Initially I agreed about the naming pattern of the children but what Christian names have you a problem with...?
Incidentally "Donald" was actually christened "Michael Donald"
What happened to Francis Peter...?.

I have not heard of a Francis Peter - is he another child of BridgetMary and William?

Elaine

He was a son to Brid Mary McCabe Meadows and Wm.
Baptised 17 Sept.1900.

Name: Franciscus Petrus Meadows
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 17 Sep 1900

Baptism/Christening Place: St. Joseph's, Stanley (near Beamish), Durham,

Father's Name: Gulielmi Meadows



Mother's Name: Birgittae Mccabe Meadows

The Meadows (snr) were in Chester-le-St from 1901

Have you checked out the 1891 Census for Ncle St Andrews..?
I dont have access...Jane should be on that.

Hi

Yes - there is no Michael McCabe with the same family
Francis Peter must have died - we have never heard of him at all.
Elaine

Elaine...But who was Bridgets father on her MC...??

Who is head of the family (1891) does it state if female she was a widow..?
Doesnt follow if no Michael it isnt them...he could be at work...!!

Thanks - I am getting myself confused - need to map all this out on a bit of paper so I can see it together and plan next moves and check against certificates.
Have tried BMD - not found Gommer, Ruth (either) or Jenny!

Marriage for Michael McCabe and Ann Jones in Lanchester which might explain the name and age change.

Still puzzled as to why Michael doesn't appear before 1881 - unless he came from ireland which is where all with his name and approx date of birth say they came from before 1881.

Kind regards

Elaine

I've found Jennie.
Jennie Mccabe married in Auckland Durham O/N/D 1905 10a 401? to Thomas Alfred Latcham
1911 11,St margarets road Benwell newcastle Upon tyne
Thomas Alfred latcham 1883 Oakeshaw durham
jennie 1885 Ushaw moor
Etta 1907 Witton park Durham
Nora 1908
Annie 1910
Thomas Alfred 1911.

Maryb.

Maybe two more children
Elizabeth J latcham born J/A/S 1913 newcastle upon tyne
Kitchener born A/M/J 1915 same place.

Jannie latcham born @ 1887 died newcastle Upon Tyne 1960
Thomas A Latcham born @ 1883 died 1953 newcastle upon tyne.

There was a Jane McCabe born 1885 wonder if that is Jennie??

Maryb.

Yes that's right - as soon as I said the name my mum recognised it and said she had a son called Kit Latcham (Kitchener) - who was only a few years older than my mam (she was born in 1922).

I'll check the birth of Jane McCabe - in the 1901 census Jennie says she is 15 which would indicate 1884/85

Thanks

Elaine

Elaine...I am totally lost here...dont know why you keep jumping here there and everywhere..
Where do the Latchams come from...?
You still havent answered the question about Bridget's fathers name...or Census H.Hold 1891

Going back to the Michael McCabe with wife Ann...if you notice he has a son named Michael aged 10 b Lemington.....

Here he is ...

Name: Michael Mccabe
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 29 Mar 1880
Baptism/Christening Place: Bell's Close, Northumberland, England

Father's Name: Michaelis Mccabe

Mother's Name: Mariae Anderson

It is Jennie Mccabe sister to Bridget/Mary ,Jennie married a Thomas Latcham.

Maryb

Sorry Eringobragh1916 - I was answering a question from Mary who had found Jennie McCabe's marriage to Thomas Latcham. I assumed you could see that post as well as your own. I'm new to posting and not sure how it works.

The name on the marriage certificate of Bridget Mary's father is Michael McCabe.

Have done some more work today and the only Michael McCabes I can find are born in Ireland - although one is living in Hetton in 1851 with parents Patrick and Brdget and brother Thomas. I think Bridget Mary's father was Irish.

Elaine

Elaine...Going back to the MC what address was Brid living at the time....?

She and William have the same address - colliery cottages Hetton Colliery. But in the 1891 census William is living in Pelton with his sister, Lucy Surtees, and widowed mother.Bridget(Known as Mary) is living in Pelton where she was a barmaid in a pub.