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8 Jul 2011 12:55 |
Ok Baz, can see them, and marriage for Stephen...will send them in pm if you like, so as not to clog up Thread...
Chris :)
(just getting 'eats', then will do!)
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8 Jul 2011 13:53 |
Thanks Chris - have received them Barry
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28 Aug 2011 01:05 |
Hello again Dee, Chris, Ginny and mgnv, Just a quick update - I now have Maud Emily Judge's birth cert. and her mother was Bertha, Thomas's first wife. Thomas's occupation is 'Steward' and as they were living in Bootle, I think this means he worked on ships out of Liverpool, probably going to New York, which is how he hooked up with Emily while still married to Bertha. The shipping lists only seem to be for passengers. Does anyone know where I can find crew lists? Barry
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28 Aug 2011 07:40 |
Name: Thos Judge Arrival Date: 28 Mar 1881 Birth Year: abt 1852 Age: 29 Gender: Male Ethnicity/RaceĀ/Nationality: English Place of Origin: England Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Destination: United States of America Port of Arrival: New York Port Arrival State: New York Port Arrival Country: United States Ship Name: City of Richmond
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
As Bertha is alone on 1881, have you got Thomas on it? (without reading through 'Thread', apologies if already on) not sure of above, says Labourer.
Outgoing Passenger Lists start at 1890 - 1960 (Find My Past) not sure about Crew, sometimes they are on above New York Lists.
Chris :)
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28 Aug 2011 23:56 |
Thanks Chris, I only have 'Essentials' on Ancestry at the moment, so couldn't look up shipping lists on there, but I see all their immigration stuff is free for the next week, so I'll see what else I can find! I haven't been able to find Thomas on the 1871 and 1881 censuses - his two sisters are with their mother and stepfather (Thomas Davis) in 1871 but not him. I think that must be him in your last post, so that's why he's not on the 1881. I haven't found any children for him and Bertha between Percy Alfred born Dec Q 1880 in Dover and Maud Emily born 26 Feb 1885 in Bootle, so he may have stayed in the USA or been at sea during that time. Barry
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29 Aug 2011 05:30 |
Hello Barry
www.ellisisland.org free just register
found these posting just incase First Name: Bertha Last Name: Judge Ethnicity: Great Britain, British Last Place of Residence: Date of Arrival: Sep 19, 1921 Age at Arrival: 45y Gender: F Marital Status: U Ship of Travel: Baltic Port of Departure: Liverpool Manifest Line Number: 0022 it say's she is a stewardess
First Name: Bertha Last Name: Judge Ethnicity: Great Britain, English Last Place of Residence: Quebec, Canada Date of Arrival: May 07, 1923 Age at Arrival: 47y Gender: F Marital Status: M Ship of Travel: Fort Victoria Port of Departure: Hamilton, Bermuda Manifest Line Number: 0001
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29 Aug 2011 09:15 |
Soz Barry, Ive lost the plot with this one!
Can you summarise what we are looking for now, Ive read your thread again and still cant get my head around it :-S
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29 Aug 2011 10:34 |
Hi Ginny,
think we're looking for Thomas Judge leaving for the US as a steward sometime between 1879 and the birth of the USA daughter (sorry her names slipped my mind).
I haven't had any luck finding him.
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29 Aug 2011 11:21 |
Hi Quoy, Thanks for that, but I think it's not Thomas's daughter, she was born in 1873, which makes the age wrong. She also married Francis Hawkins in 1894. Thanks anyway Barry
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29 Aug 2011 11:32 |
Hi Ginny and Dee, Dee, you're right in that I'm looking for Thomas crossing the Atlantic in either direction between 1880 and 1888. His American daughter Letitia was born in New York to Emily Dunn sometime between 1885 and 1888 depending on which census (UK 1891 or various US censuses) you believe. I'm also looking for Emily going from New York to Liverpool before her marriage to Thomas at St. Peter's, Liverpool on 9th June 1893. She should be Emily Johnson but could be Dunn, Judge or even Bishop which was her mother's maiden name! Thanks again for any help you can give. Barry
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29 Aug 2011 13:26 |
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Miss Emily Dunn Name: Miss Emily Dunn Birth Date: abt 1864 Age: 28 Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: 24 May 1892 Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland Ship Name: Anchoria Search Ship Database: View the 'Anchoria' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: No owner or agent listed Official Number: 70476 UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Emily Dunn Name: Emily Dunn Birth Date: abt 1868 Age: 23 Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: 13 May 1891 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Teutonic Search Ship Database: View the 'Teutonic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: White Star Line Official Number: 96332 UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Emily Johnson <<<<Spinster Name: Emily Johnson Birth Date: abt 1865 Age: 27 Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: 12 Nov 1892 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Umbria Search Ship Database: View the 'Umbria' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: No owner or agent listed Official Number: 91159 UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Emelie Johnson Name: Emelie Johnson Birth Date: abt 1863 Age: 29 Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: 10 Dec 1892 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Britannic Search Ship Database: View the 'Britannic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: No owner or agent listed Official Number: 69368
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Emma Johnson <<Spinster Name: Emma Johnson Birth Date: abt 1863 Age: 28 Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: 5 Dec 1891 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Etruria Search Ship Database: View the 'Etruria' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: No owner or agent listed Official Number: 91187
Theres no way to tell if any of these are her
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30 Aug 2011 03:47 |
Hi Ginny, Thanks for those - as Ancestry immigration stuff is free this week, I looked through all of them and of course you're right that it's impossible to tell if any of them are her! I did look through the other passengers to see if her daughter Letitia or her mother also Letitia were on the same ship - but no luck. Barry
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