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Thanks, MarieCeleste.

I found whom I thought was 'my' William on the 1881 Census described as an unemployed wood carver and joiner.

I've spent so much time on this that I feel for those people searching for surnames Smith, Jones, Brown etc.

Now back to the drawing-board!

Sorry, MarieCeleste, I pressed a wrong key I think.

I meant to put my last message on this board.

Joyce, I think that 1881 is the right one!

The son's name (William R) tallies with the 1871, and Willian senior's occupation is correct.

(your reply automatically goes to the last page, you can't choose where to put it!)

This seems to fit for age.

Deaths Dec 1867
Guest Elizabeth 34 W. Derby 8b 361

Possibly died as a result of giving birth to

Births Dec 1867
Guest William Robert W. Derby 8b 435

My postings keep disappearing! Sorry, everyone.

You are a genius, MarieCeleste.

The family story was that Mary Waters Thomas's mother was from quite a wealthy family; apparently they had fish brought from Aberdeen every week - looking at these two (Ship Carrier William and Scottish-born Elizabeth) it rung a bell with me straight away. (Although I have to stay the wealth never filtered down as my grandparents were disowned by both sides!)

1881:

GUEST, William Head Widower M 50 1831 Wood Carver & Joiner (Unemployed) Lpool Lancashire
GUEST, William R Son Single M 13 1868 Lpool Lancashire
GUEST, John J Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar Lpool Lancashire
GUEST, Charlotte E Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar Lpool Lancashire
GUEST, Priscilla Daughter Single F 2 1879 Lpool Lancashire
GUEST, Esther Mother Widow F 78 1803 Rightington Lancashire

Registration District: West Derby
Sub District: Everton
Civil Parish: Everton
Municipal Borough:

Address: 69, Towson St, Everton County: Lancashire

If the death that Ozibird found is right then William may have remarried (but she's gone too?)

Joyce, I think that Ship Carrier in 1871 should really be Ship Carver.

My postings keep disappearing! Sorry, everyone.

You are a genius, MarieCeleste.

The family story was that Mary Waters Thomas's mother was from quite a wealthy family; apparently they had fish brought from Aberdeen every week - looking at these two (Ship Carrier William and Scottish-born Elizabeth) it rung a bell with me straight away. (Although I have to stay the wealth never filtered down as my grandparents were disowned by both sides!)

Perhaps this marriage, and going by daughter's name on 1881 possibly married Charlotte.

Marriages Dec 1871
Allert Charlotte Liverpool 8b 246 <<<<<<
Cockshot Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 246
Dixon Henry Liverpool 8b 246
Guest William Liverpool 8b 246 <<<<<<



Update:
1871 - Charlotte Allert William, Dorothy abt 1837 Lathom, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby, Lancashire


So this would fit for age.
Deaths Mar 1881
Guest Charlotte 44 W. Derby 8b 332

For interest: Liverpool Registry Office is closed for refurbishment (my cousin visited there last week). The records have been transferred temporarily to Crosby (nearer her home!).

We'll try to get a copy of the marriage cert as you suggest - but think we may have to find a Scottish marriage.

Well done Ozi!

That fills in the gap.

Have pm'd Joyce re second page on here!

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1871
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
GUEST William ALLERT Charlotte Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne Liverpool 2053LP/55/301

Of course, good thinking MC. I couldn't work out why she thought her posts were disappearing into the ether.

Ozi

Update:
Well that confirms it Lancashire Ann.

Has anyone found Elizabeth's maiden name (Scottish-born)?

She can't be the Elizabeth McNeal, can she?

I may have to search around Aberdeen eventually which is where her family came from - so the family story goes. Has anyone any hints for Scottish searches, please?

Yes, I can be a bit dim at times - I never thought about looking at the second page to view postings!

Baptisms: 5 Dec 1830 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Guest - Son of William Guest & Esther
Abode: Eaton Street
Occupation: Blacksmith
Baptised by: Augs. Campbell Rector
Register: Baptisms 1830, Page 11, Entry 2792
Source: LDS Film 1068891

Yes, you may need to research Scotland for the marriage, but there are these Elizabeths living in the same parish in 1851.


Elizabeth Mackey Margaret abt 1833 Scotland Daughter Kirkdale, Lancashire

Elizabeth McCroy abt 1832 Scotland Visitor Kirkdale, Lancashire

Elizabeth Sinclair Peter, Jane abt 1833 Scotland Daughter Kirkdale, Lancashire

Baptisms: 8 Mar 1829 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Priscilla Guest - Child of William Guest & Esther
Abode: Eaton St.
Occupation: Blacksmith
Baptised by: Th. Johnson Curate
Register: Baptisms 1828 - 1829, Page 278, Entry 1818
Source: LDS Film 93834

Marriage: 3 Jun 1903 St Cuthbert, Everton, Lancashire, England
James Hignett - 25 Corporation Inspector Bachelor of 36 Venmore Street
Priscilla Guest - 25 Spinster of 36 Venmore Street
Groom's Father: Samuel Hignett, Blacksmith
Bride's Father: William Guest, Ship's Carpenter
Witness: Isaac William Railton; Sarah Hignett
Married by Banns by: Francis J. Gough
Register: Marriages 1899 - 1907, Page 70, Entry 139
Source: LDS Film 2147911

This is the place to go. http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

Never needed to use it myself. You need to pay to view.

Ozi

Joyce, I really don't think Elizabeth McNeal was your William's bride. The parentage and occupations on that marriage is all wrong, and I also found that couple in 1861 (first page).

Those Scottish Elizabeths that Ozi found are interesting .....

This looks like your William & Elizabeth's daughter:

Births Sep 1861
GUEST Isabella Esther W Derby 8b 318

Her birth cert would give you her mother's name.