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This just gets better and better! Thank you.


(I'm a quick learner - I've learned to turn pages over!)

MC, that's terrific. Lucky Joyce.

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1851 Scotland Census
Name: Robert Jeffrey
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1787
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Isabella Jeffrey
Gender: Male
Where born: Roxburgh, Roxburghshire
Parish Number: 812
Civil parish: Annan
Town: Brydekirk
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Ewart's St
Occupation: Retired Flour Miller

Roll: CSSCT1851_205
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Jeffrey 64
Isabella Jeffrey 53 - born Upow Sweed, Berwick
Mary Jeffrey 16 - born Kelso, Roxburgshire



1841 Scotland Census
Name: Elizabeth Jeffrey
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Coldstream
County: Berwickshire
Address: Coldstream Duke Street
Parish Number: 733
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Jeffrey 50 - miller
Isabella Jeffrey 40
William Jeffrey 13
Elizabeth Jeffrey 9
Mary Jeffrey 6
Thomas Rutherford 55 - Army P (pensioner?)

Thank you for your kind words, MarieCeleste, and for your information.

It's fantastic that I've got as far as Glasgow and back again in a few hours!

Thank you for using your spare credits and finding my ancestors for me.

I can now add so much to my family tree, I'm excited!

Eh? :-(

Many thanks to you too, Ozi.

I'll certainly follow the three Elizabeths up.

Well, it just so happens that I had a few spare credits for Scotland's People, and Joyce is a nice lady, so here we go:

William Guest (ship's carver) married Elizabeth Jeffrey on 18 July 1860 in the High Church, Glasgow. She was the daughter of Robert Jeffrey (a miller, deceased) and Isabella (looks like Tittilan). The marriage also confirms that William's mother was Esther Brookes. His father William Guest - a ship's smith.

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if you have not got it I would recommend you get it to confirm her parents names before guessing at a marriage certificate of her parents

Births Jun 1864 (>99%)
GUEST Mary Waters West Derby 8b 437

There is a possibility of 2 William Guests, one withe father William and one with father Edward

Esther's maiden name possibly Brooks rather than Broker

Marriage: 28 Jan 1828 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Guest - Blacksmith
Esther Brooks - Spinister
Married by Banns by: Wheeler Milner Off. Minister
Register: Marriages 1828 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 1, Entry 296
Source: LDS Film 1068891

This looks like your William & Elizabeth's daughter:

Births Sep 1861
GUEST Isabella Esther W Derby 8b 318

Her birth cert would give you her mother's name.

Joyce, I really don't think Elizabeth McNeal was your William's bride. The parentage and occupations on that marriage is all wrong, and I also found that couple in 1861 (first page).

Those Scottish Elizabeths that Ozi found are interesting .....

This is the place to go. http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

Never needed to use it myself. You need to pay to view.

Ozi

Baptisms: 8 Mar 1829 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Priscilla Guest - Child of William Guest & Esther
Abode: Eaton St.
Occupation: Blacksmith
Baptised by: Th. Johnson Curate
Register: Baptisms 1828 - 1829, Page 278, Entry 1818
Source: LDS Film 93834

Marriage: 3 Jun 1903 St Cuthbert, Everton, Lancashire, England
James Hignett - 25 Corporation Inspector Bachelor of 36 Venmore Street
Priscilla Guest - 25 Spinster of 36 Venmore Street
Groom's Father: Samuel Hignett, Blacksmith
Bride's Father: William Guest, Ship's Carpenter
Witness: Isaac William Railton; Sarah Hignett
Married by Banns by: Francis J. Gough
Register: Marriages 1899 - 1907, Page 70, Entry 139
Source: LDS Film 2147911

Yes, you may need to research Scotland for the marriage, but there are these Elizabeths living in the same parish in 1851.


Elizabeth Mackey Margaret abt 1833 Scotland Daughter Kirkdale, Lancashire

Elizabeth McCroy abt 1832 Scotland Visitor Kirkdale, Lancashire

Elizabeth Sinclair Peter, Jane abt 1833 Scotland Daughter Kirkdale, Lancashire

Baptisms: 5 Dec 1830 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Guest - Son of William Guest & Esther
Abode: Eaton Street
Occupation: Blacksmith
Baptised by: Augs. Campbell Rector
Register: Baptisms 1830, Page 11, Entry 2792
Source: LDS Film 1068891

Has anyone found Elizabeth's maiden name (Scottish-born)?

She can't be the Elizabeth McNeal, can she?

I may have to search around Aberdeen eventually which is where her family came from - so the family story goes. Has anyone any hints for Scottish searches, please?

Yes, I can be a bit dim at times - I never thought about looking at the second page to view postings!

Of course, good thinking MC. I couldn't work out why she thought her posts were disappearing into the ether.

Ozi

Update:
Well that confirms it Lancashire Ann.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1871
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
GUEST William ALLERT Charlotte Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne Liverpool 2053LP/55/301

Well done Ozi!

That fills in the gap.

Have pm'd Joyce re second page on here!

For interest: Liverpool Registry Office is closed for refurbishment (my cousin visited there last week). The records have been transferred temporarily to Crosby (nearer her home!).

We'll try to get a copy of the marriage cert as you suggest - but think we may have to find a Scottish marriage.

Perhaps this marriage, and going by daughter's name on 1881 possibly married Charlotte.

Marriages Dec 1871
Allert Charlotte Liverpool 8b 246 <<<<<<
Cockshot Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 246
Dixon Henry Liverpool 8b 246
Guest William Liverpool 8b 246 <<<<<<



Update:
1871 - Charlotte Allert William, Dorothy abt 1837 Lathom, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby, Lancashire


So this would fit for age.
Deaths Mar 1881
Guest Charlotte 44 W. Derby 8b 332