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Morning everyone, here is one i keep putting on the back burner in the hope that i will solve it one day.......but i give up!! I admit defeat! Grrrr!!

My Great Grandmother Mary Saunders born (according to the 1881 census) 1859 Christchurch Hampshire England.

Not only does my Grt Grandfather state that he is single on the 1891 census and the fact that there is not a marriage entry........i can only assume that they didn't marry. (Which means i can't send for the marriage cert! Grrrr!)

Deaths Sep 1888 (>99%)
Masters Mary 30 S.Stoneham 2c 29



1881 England Census
about Mary Masters
Name: Mary Masters
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles Masters
Gender: Female
Where born: Christchurch, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Southampton St Mary
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Anglesea Terrace
Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: Southampton
Sub-registration district: Southampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1209
Folio: 4
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Masters 26
Mary Masters 22 (Christchurch Hampshire)
Alfred William Masters 1mnth

(The Williams are actually living next door)
Clemence Williams 13
Mabel Williams 11
Bertram Williams 5

It anyone can please pin point who her parents might be.........it would be very much appreciated........

Thankyou...........Grrr!! PH


Possible birth??


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Mary Saunders
Name: Mary Saunders
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1859
Registration district: New Forest
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 349

This is all i can come up with..... But i dont know if this is the correct family!!


1871 England Census
about Mary Saunders
Name: Mary Saunders
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Eling, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Eling
Ecclesiastical parish: Eling St Mary
Town: Totton
Coun
ty/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: New Forest
Household Members:
Name Age
John Randall 46
Ann Randall 43
Amelia Randall 12
William Randall 4
Sarah Saunders 38 (Married) Born Milford Hampshire
Mary Saunders 11
George Genard 48



1861 England Census
about Mary A Saunders
Name: Mary A Saunders
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Saunders
Mother's name: Sarah Saunders
Gender: Female
Where born: Lymington, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Lymington
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Household Members:
Name Age
James Saunders 39
Sarah Saunders 38
Emma Saunders 12
Martha Saunders 7
Mary A Saunders 4

????
theres a male missing here

Marriages Mar 1888 (>99%)
Mears Isabella Emma S Winchester 2c 157
Pearson William Winchester 2c 157
Saunders Mary Winchester 2c 157

Hmm, thats interesting Safc.........not impossible although their three children were born before 1888.

This isn't going well is it!! Boo hoo!!

here's the missing name from those marriages

BMD Search result details
Civil Registration event: Marriage

Name: SAUNDERS, Mary
Registration District: Winchester
County: Hampshire
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume No: 2C
Page No: 157

Mary Saunders married one of the following people

PEARSON, William
STROUD, George Singleton
MEARS, Isabella Emma S

Well that rules that one out!!

Thankyou Tempest. x

It is soo frustrating, this is the only line in my family that i have not been able to trace.

Bertram and Mabel Williams are with their mother on 1891 census

Address: Madeira House, Clovelly Road, Southampton

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

WILLIAMS, Emma Head Widow F 45 1846 Stewardess On Board Ship Brighton
WILLIAMS, Mabel Daughter Single F 22 1869 House Keeper Woolston Hampshire
WILLIAMS, Bertram Son M 16 1875 Scholar Southampton Hampshire

Mabel Williams and her mother on 1871 census

Address: Oxford Street, St Mary, Southampton

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

WILLIAMS, Emma Wife F 31 1840 Hampshire (wife of steward on board steam ship)
WILLIAMS, Alice Daughter F 7 1864 South Africa
WILLIAMS, Albert Son M 5 1866 South Africa
WILLIAMS, Ellen Daughter F 3 1868 South Africa
WILLIAMS, Mabel Daughter F 1 1870 Hampshire

On the 1871 census where Mary is entered with the parish of Eling, this is the same place of birth Charles uses in 1891. Could this be the connection. Whilst Alfred is registered as Alfred William Masters, could William be the name of Charles's father and not the surname of the people next door -jle

Gosh i will have to think about this one!

I was in contact with a a member regarding the Masters.........and as coincidence would have it, he discovered that his wife was related to the Williams family who are the on the 1881 census.

I think we managed to ascertain that their was no link between the two families but i will look again more closely.............Thankyou to everyone who has taken the time to look into my query.

Will get back to you on this one!! PH.

Nope........There is no connection between the Masters and the William family.......but thankyou for your time Jane.

Nudging.............still looking for the birth and parents of Mary Saunders.

Thankyou............in anticipation!! :-0

"Nope........There is no connection between the Masters and the William family.......but thankyou for your time Jane.."

......is this the reply to my suggestion or to one that has been deleted?-janet

Reply to your suggeston Janet................i didnt notice anything had been deleted!! x


Oops sorry, i called you Jane.

I have given up on the marriage as i don't think that they actually married.

Just wish i could find out about Mary's family.

Very confused by the Mary Saunders on the 1871 census. She seems to appear again, visiting her sister Emma b.1849 who married John Daney.

There must be two Sarah Saunders b.1833 in Milford with daughters named Mary.

Ohh, you might be on to something there.........

I can't find an appropiate death for Mary under the name Saunders OR Masters.......so could it be that she went to live with married sister Emma in 1881?

I am assuming you mean 1891..........just going to check it out!!

Thankyou Christina.............fingers crossed!!! ;-)


Edit: Oops no, i see you mean the 1871 census. I got over excited then for minute!!...........I don't even know if that is her family in 1871..........it was the best i could come up with!!




1871 England Census
about Emma Daney
Name: Emma Daney
[Emma Matilda Saunders]
[Emma Davey]
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Daney
Gender: Female
Where born: Milford, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Lymington
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Lymington
Household Members:
Name Age
John Daney 53
Emma Daney 22
Mary A Launders 14 (Sister of Wife)
Ellen Launders 2 (Sister of wife)


Marriages Mar 1868 (>99%)
DAVEY John Lymington 2b 769
Saunders Emma Matilda Lymington 2b 769

The one in 1871 as a boarder with Sarah 1833,are you sure it says married or unmarried??
If you compare others who aren't married in looks the same.

There is a Sarah Saunders with parents George 1801 and Amelia 1821 2nd wife I think in 1851 Census born same time and place and there is a Alfred born 1850 in the household.


Maryb

Thankyou Maryb...........i do believe i have lost the plot!! x

I have lost the plot too Prickles !!

I have been searching around for this one for hours but cannot sort it.

I presume you got the name of Saunders from a child's birth cert?

Dea x

..sorry to labour the point but in my post about Mary 'Masters' son Alfred William Masters my suggestion was that the Middle name may be Charles's Masters father's name. I didn't make any reference to it belonging to the Williams family next door-I appreciate that it won't help you find 'what ever happened to Mary?'''lol-jl