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Rose,

Are you refering to the witnesses of the divorce, ( there were none)

The marriage.

Rose

Could it be that if his father's name was Henry that he had been called Harry and it was presumed by others that his correct name was Harold.

I have had this problem doing a family tree for a relative when being told someone's name was Al and they always presumed it was Albert, when it was in fact Alfred.

These things do tend to put obstacles in the way. So I wouldn't dismiss this Cardiff birth straightaway.-jl

I have had a second read at the message where you state that the father was Harold Thompson.

I think it is quite possible that if the Registrar was given the name of the father as Harry Thompson when he was registering his son Ronald John Thompson's birth, he (the registrar)could quite easily have presumed that he was putting the correct form of the name .i.e Harold and not Henry-jl

Nobody has mentioned that he could be adopted and given a new name

Janet,

Another good thought, but his fathers name was John Henry and I think Harold seems a big error to make, but I see where you're coming from.

Rose,

The witnesses to the marriage were my grandparents Mr A C Flook and Mrs D A Flook

Hello Philip,

The address is the old St David's Hospital. So the birth in 1927 was while it was still the Union Workhouse.
Archive Wales may be able to help you.

http://www.archiveswales.org.uk

"The Cardiff Union Workhouse, Cowbridge Road, Canton, was opened in 1839 and almost entirely rebuilt in 1880-1881. In 1930 the running of the workhouse was transferred from the Board of Guardians to the Public Assistance Committee of Cardiff County Council. It became St. David's hospital under the NHS in 1948. All that remains of the building now is the facade which has been listed. A new hospital has been built on part of the site with the rest being developed for private homes."

Philip,
whilst your relatives name was John Henry, please don't presume that he was called John. It just doesn't work that way.....oh that it would.
I believed for many a year that Harry was a shortened version of (only) Henry. My father was called Harold and whilst he was never referred to as Harry I have in more recent years heard of it.
There is no difference from Baz being short for Basil or Barrie, Des being short for Desmond or Dennis....and I have really known these examples. Even if you think I am wide of the mark, please consider. -jl

I wouldn't presume that his name was John Henry. ;) People made up things for their marriage certificates all the time. Up to and including their own names.

Found this on the National Archive website.
Name matches but cannot work out if the date is date of birth or of discharge?

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Must be date of birth because it mentions WW2 medal.

Gwladys G P Owen + Harold Thompson Oct-Nov-Dec 1925 Southwark Surrey

still seems to me like a more probable couple for the parents of the Cardiff RJT:

So likely the mother of the Cardiff RJT:

Name: Gwendoline Gwladys P Thompson
Birth Date: 24 Jul 1894
Death Registration Month/Year: 1972
Registration district: Southend On Sea
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 2572

Can't identify father Harold's death.


-- Philip, you have the birth cert of RJT son of Harold -- who was the mother?? Guesswork is pointless when you have the info.


I am still extremely curious about Eric RJ Thompson of whom there is no record after his birth, and whose parents were a rather odd couple, and the Alfred WJ Thompson of an age to be their son / his brother who married and died but was never born ...

The merchant seaman record is a perfect match for the birth certificate Philip has showing father Harold:

Ronald John Thompson Born 22nd June 1927 30a Cowbridge road, Cardiff.

There is certainly a very strong likelihood that this is the man.

janey,
The birth cert I have of fathers name Harold, the Mothers name is Winnifred Thompson formerly Owen. Thats for Ronald John Thompson d.o.b.22nd June 1927.(CARDIFF)
The National Archives Merchant service record that I am waiting for is for a Ronald John Thompson d.o.b. 22nd January 1927 (CARDIFF)
To make things more confusing, of all the birth certs I have there is none for January 22nd 1927 available from the records on the GRO LIST OF BIRTHS. Is there anywhere else I should be looking for birth registries?

I wonder if somewhere along the way 22 Jan...and.. 22 Jun got mixed up ?

Easy to do, when copying information down.

Gwyn

The record Paul gave:

Medal listing of Thompson, Ronald John
Discharge number: R271729
Date 22 June 1927
Series Registry of Shipping and Seamen: Database of World War II Medals issued to Merchant Seamen

Surely Jan must be a misreading of Jun somewhere!


So the parents on the birth cert you have are neither
John H Thompson + Emmie E H Owen, 1924 Burton Staffs
nor
Harold Thompson + Gwladys G P Owen 1925 Southwark Surrey
!


The only marriage of a Winifred Owen to a Thompson is:

Name: Winifred H Owen
Spouse: Walter H Thompson
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1941
Registration district: Hitchin
Registration county (inferred): Hertfordshire
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 3541

Could he be Walter Harold?


"Is there anywhere else I should be looking for birth registries?"

Such as ...?

You seem to think someone has a special magic closet of birth records they're not revealing!

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk if Scottish

If Irish, Canadian, USAmerican ... birth records not available, although the 1930 US census is searchable at Ancestry.

Pardon me -- you said two Ns in Winnifred -- and you need an S on Owens:

Name: Winnifred M Owens
Spouse : John H Thompson
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1925
Registration district: Cardiff
Registration county (inferred): Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 789

Just think ... if you'd told us the mother's name way back on page 1 ...

There are multiple John Harold Thompson births who *could* be that John H Thompson. The marriage certificate would clear it up.

There are six Thompson-OwenS births in Cardiff -- 1925, 1929, 1930, 1932, 1938, 1942, one of whom is Winifred.

A 1927 birth would fit well in that sequence.

Janey,
sounds good I'll check that one through.
I am only giving the information I have written down on certificates and it was Winnifred (2 Ns and Owen no S)
thanks! and sorry if I am a little slow in coming forward.

Got ya -- I was the one disregarding the double N you'd shown in Winnifred, and I suspect the certificate for that RJT is missing its S on Owens, is what I was getting at.

I haven't identified deaths for the spouses; without ages it's a little impossible. The marriage certificate would help all round.