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Thanks for your advice.

I think, when postings get to this length, people stop looking at them because it requires a lot of effort to work their way through, or they have forgotten all the details, or assume others will do the work. If I have to get a pencil and paper out to write things down, I don't. Unless it is my own family.
Possibly if you do a brief resume with the relevant points people might look.
Or possibly you stand on your own feet and go at it yourself - you have had lots of help so have gained in experience as to how others have done it, so now it is time to take flight and try for yourself?

I guess thats it then

ANYBODY WATCHING?

Hi everyone, back off holiday and looking to anyones help and advice on where to go from here to try and dig deeper!

Hi people,
Janey and Rose
I'll have to look into your last thoughts a bit later on.
Would still like to go down the road of looking into my fathers past (warts and all), but wouldn't know where to start!
As I've said in an earlier message, I am away on holiday as of this Saturday 21st May for 2 weeks but would appreciate any help, especially from those who have done so much already!!!

How about

Name: John H Thompson
Death Registration Month/Year: 1948 oct-nov-dec
Age at death (estimated): 49
Registration district: East Glamorgan
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 311

= born by Q4 1899 if just turned 49, no earlier than Q4 1898 if almost 50 at death.

Which overlaps with
Q2 1898 to Q2 1899
by
Q4 1898 to Q2 1899

if this were an exact science and if I didn't make a hash of it half the time.

If he was just turned 26 in April 1925
he could have been born in Q2 1899.

If he was almost 27 in April 1925
he could have been born in Q2 1898.

Still no glaringly obvious birth:

Births Sep 1898
THOMPSON John Henry Worksop 7b 50
Births Mar 1899
Thompson John Henry Gainsbro' 7a 692
Births Jun 1899
Thompson John Henry Hexham 10b 382
Thompson John Henry Ecclesall B. 9c 491
Thompson John Henry Aston 6d 328


But there's this death ...

Deaths Sep 1901
Thompson Robert David 28 Cardiff 11a 156

The only marriage for that name 1891-1901 is

Marriages Jun 1901
Hayes Rose Jane St. Olave 1d 345
MISKIN Florence Elizabeth St. Olave 1d 345
Robbins Walter George St. Olave 1d 345
Thompson Robert David St. Olave 1d 34


No birth for a Robert David Thompson anytime around 1873 though. Two Robert Thompsons in Cardiff in the 1901, one born in Cardiff married to Ellen, one born in the US married to Mabel, neither with a son John.

I get you on the John now, Rose.

However, the marriage wasn't 1923 --

"First of all the Marriage cert of John Henry Thompson (grandfather) to Winnifred Margaret Owens 6th April 1925"

but you're right about the age --

"Mr Thompsons age at marriage was 26 years old"

so we're both obviously going nuts.

Aargh.

Anybody check this one out in 1911?

[deleted because I had the age at marriage wrong, aargh]

I'm pretty sure it works out to could have been born

late April 1901 at the earliest
early April 1902 at the latest

to be 23 in April 1925 -- if that was true.

So Q2 1901 to Q2 1902

and these are the possibles

[deleted because I had the age at marriage wrong, aargh]

Janey,

I was referring to Winnifred's father.

Also, the marriage was in 1923 and JHT was 26, so born c1896/1897.

Rose

John Henry Thompson aged 23 in 1925 -- did not have the decency to be born by the 1911 census. D*n his eyes!

But Rose -- it was Robert, and not the same as John's own name (the John with father John, or James with father James, deceased, is indeed suspicious), so it could be true!


Editing because I'm a complete moron.

I go crazy every time doing the arithmetic -- in 1925 he could have been just turned 23 so born anytime before/after ... or about to be 24 so anytime before/after ...

But I usually get the decade right. He would have been born 1901-1903 or something, not 1911-1913.


Anyhow, it's still pretty hopeless, I fear.

Call me cynical, but I always get suspicious when the father is " John, deceased" on a wedding cert.

Rose

Mr Thompsons age at marriage was 26 years old, (John Henry Thompson)
Lived at 28 Augusta Street Cardiff.
His Fathers name given on marriage cert as Robert Thompson (deceased)

Winnifred Margaret Owens age given on marriage cert as 23 years old.
Lived at 62, Station Road, Barry. (Wales I take it ?)
Her Fathers name given as John Owens (deceased)

Witnesses names are J Flay ? and K Phillips ? (not much there)
The death record you posted Janey looks very likely.
(I don't know how to do this copy & paste thing at the moment, I am new to this computer business,) (but I consider myself told off)

Philip, you really need to do the copy&paste thing.


Births Jun 1901
OWENS Winnifred Weobley 6a 534


No Margaret there.

But it could still be her!

Do you not think the death record I pasted is likely, though?


How about Mr Thompson's age at marriage? Witnesses' names?


edit - I seem to have missed this one, perhaps the most likely to match the age on the marriage certificate:

Births Jun 1901
OWENS Winifred Margaret Holyhead 11b 506


It is not at all uncommon for death records to be a year or two out on the date of birth (often with the date itself correct) -- my grandfather believed all his life he was born 15 Dec 1900; when he applied for a birth certificate on retirement he found he was born on 17 Dec 1901.

Win(n)ifred is like Lil(l)ian too -- people often used the variant spelling, even the people whose name it was.

Thank you all for your kind words.

Janey,
Winnifred Margaret Owens age given on her marriage cert was 23 years old. There is a Winnifred Margaret Owens birth registered in 1901, Apr/ May June /Vol No 6a / Vol Page 534 that looks like a probable match ?

Wonderful news Philip!

I had to read back through the thread to acquaint myself with all the details.

You now have some uncles and aunts to trace.

Rose

I'm afraid I can't resist (seeing as how I found the marriage and all ;) )

Name: Winifred Margaret Thompson
Birth Date: 29 Apr 1900
Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1985
Age at death (estimated): 84
Registration district: South Glamorgan
Inferred County: South Glamorgan
Volume: 28
Page: 2287

?

I don't see a matching birth for Winifred/Winnifred Margaret Owen/Owens, though.

You'll need to tell us the spouse's ages and fathers' names from the Owens-Thompson marriage certificate when you return.

Hello Philip,
My heart goes out to you. I'm glad you got there in the end. As for a photograph; just a couple of months ago I received the first picture of my mum ever, so I do know how you felt.
Well done to all.
Bye
Paul