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So William was born as William Swift in 1857, even though his parents did not marry until 1881?
What was David's profession then?
Thanks.

Barbara, did any of his children marry actually in London? We could have a look to see if they're on the London marriage records.

I am so sorry I missed both your postings. I will answer shortly.

On Williams birth certificate it says mother, Eliza Swift formerly Nixon and David's profession was a boatman.

I have already put up the marriage of Eliza Nixon to David Swift.

Has nobody seen it!!

8.41am.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about William Swift Name: William Swift
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date 11 Aug 1859*******************
Baptism Date: 11 Sep 1859
Father's Name: David Swift Labourer
Mother's Name: Eliza Swift
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington

I wonder if when asked where he came from he said Buckingham?

There is a David Swift baptised here and his mother is Ann Maria Swift and it says he is illigitamate.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: David Swift
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date 1823
Baptism Date: 25 Oct 1823
Mother's Name: Ann Maria Swift
Parish or Poor Law Union: Uxbridge St Margaret
Borough: Hillingdon

Hi Mel Fairy Godmother

Thank you I did see it. Now this post is interesting, but how do I know if its the right one?

Hi Again

Is this London Englans births and baptisms on Ancestry, where you have to pay?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Mary Ann Swift Name: Mary Ann Swift
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1862
Baptism Date: 8 Jun 1862
Father's Name: Davis Swift BOAT ON CANAL
Mother's Name: Eliza Swift
Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington Green St Mary
Borough: Westminster

Yes you have to have the right sub.

I have to go out with my other half in a min but will continue on my return.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Lucy Swift
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1879
Baptism Date: 7 Dec 1879
Father's Name: David Swift
Mother's Name: Eliza Swift
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southall St John
Borough: Ealing

In the column after Swift it says Commonly called Miller!!!! he is a boatman. Their address is Frog's Island.

Name: Eliza Swift
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1859
Baptism Date: 11 Sep 1859
Father's Name: David Swift (Labourer)
Mother's Name: Eliza Swift
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington

(says born 25th Aug. on image, address Milton Place)

Noticed this Baptism, further down same page as William's...birthdate given same as William, twins?...

Chris :)

1841

ALLUM, Daniel M 35 1806 Middlesex (Brick?)
ALLUM, Mary F 35 1806 Middlesex
ALLUM, Susanna F 10 1831 Middlesex
ALLUM, Charlotte F 8 1833 Middlesex
ALLUM, Caroline F 4 1837 Middlesex
MILLER, Sarah F 12 1829 Middlesex
SWIFT, David M 15 1826 Middlesex
LOVE, William M 35 1806 Middlesex
LAWRENCE, George M 10 1831 Middlesex

RG number:
HO107 Piece:
656 Book/Folio:
4/7 Page:
6

Registration District:
Uxbridge Sub District:
Hillingdon Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Hillingdon Municipal Borough:
Address:
Long Otter, Hillingdon County:
Middlesex

Name: William Swift
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Dearing
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 18 Sep 1881
Parish: St Clement, Notting Hill
County: Middlesex
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: David Swift (Labourer)
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Dearing


Births Sep 1856 (>99%)
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Swift William Islington 1b 253

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Births Dec 1857 (>99%)
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Swift William Marylebone 1a 432

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Births Mar 1858 (>99%)
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Swift William David St Giles 1b 371

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Births Jun 1859 (>99%)
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Swift William John Swift Islington 1b 270

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Births Mar 1860 (>99%)
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SWIFT William Chelsea 1a 183

(these are births, but finding them on 1861?)...

Hi Thanks for your help. My William Swift was Marylebone 1857.

Mel Fairy Godmother..... I wonder what that means commonly MIller?

Back now. oh took me shopping and then out to lunch so I was'nt going to say no as now I don't have to cook tonight. Yipee!!!!

Back to David Swift. I wonder if he went under the name of Miller. It seems like this person did'nt really want to be found.

Barbara What were Williams childrens names please?

I am wondering if David was married before really and thats why he did'nt marry Eliza till 1881.

There were more birth to a David Swift and Eliza and I shall go back and look for them now.
14.34pm

These are they but I have'nt looked at them yet.

Eliza Swift 11 Sep 1859 David Swift,
Eliza Swift Islington St Mary Islington

William Swift 11 Sep 1859 David Swift,
Eliza Swift Islington St Mary Islington

Ellen Elizabeth Swift 2 Dec 1877 David Swift,
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Ellen Elizabeth Swift Name: Ellen Elizabeth Swift
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 9th Nov 1877 *********
Baptism Date: 2 Dec 1877 **********
Father's Name: David Swift BOATMAN*********
Mother's Name: Eliza Swift
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southall St John
Borough: Ealing

Address Southall Green Frog Island

Eliza Swift Southall St John Ealing

Lucy Swift 7 Dec 1879 David Swift,
Eliza Swift Southall St John Ealing

HI Mel FG

Glad you had a nice lunch!

There were a total of 18 children from William Swift, I have all there details. I don't think William's father David wanted to be found either, I just don't know where to start.

Oh look what I have just found!!!!!!

1861 England Census
Name: David Miller
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza Miller
Gender: Male
Where born: Chesham, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 13 Union Place.

Occupation: LABOURER***************

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St John Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 164
Household Members: Name Age
David Miller 32
Eliza Miller 25
Wm Miller 3
Eliza Miller 2
Mary Ann Miller 5 MO
Susan Wister 12 1849 Visitor*** THIS READS NIXON BORN PADDINGTON
Rebecca Lound 24