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maureen and rose,

thanks for all your help and input - I'm off to bed now !!!

I think the best thing will be to order the birth certificate of Lilian who was born in 1907 - it may be possible that she is the child of Sarah Ann (nee Cox) and James Alfred Sadler.
Her birth registration details are:
Windsor, Berkshire
Windsor 2c 421
July/August/Sept 1907

Thanks Maureen.

Moggy,

But there's no matching birth for Lilian Amy Sadler and she is born in the correct area. Just wondering if Agnes has been written down as Amy by mistake.

Rose

I think the one I need to find out about is Lilian Agnes Sadler, whose birth is registered in Windsor in the 3rd quarter 1907.

In 1912 my nan had her daughter, Margaret and Maureen found my nan on the 1911 census living with my grandad and taking his name - Pheby.

It does look like Amy on the image,I think.

1911 census transcription details for: 14 Mount Pleasant Littlemore Oxford Road Oxford
RG14PN8118 RG78PN412 RD152 SD2 ED7 SN158


Reg. District: Headington Sub District: St Clement
Parish: Littlemore Enum. District: 7
Address: 14 Mount Pleasant Littlemore Oxford Road Oxford
County: Oxfordshire
WINCHESTER, William James Head Married M 53 1858 Blacksmith Oxford
WINCHESTER, Elizabeth Wife Married
29 years F 56 1855 Laundress Oxford
WINCHESTER, James William Son Single M 21 1890 Character Comedian Oxford
WINCHESTER, Annie Florence Sarah Daughter Single F 17 1894 Laundress Oxford
SADLER, Lilian Amy Niece Single F 3 1908 Stams (Stains?) Berkshire


Maureen

There's a Lilian Amy Sadler born Berkshire in 1911 with a family of Winchesters. Don't have access so I can't see the details. Can't seem to find a birth on FreeBMD for her.

Rose

Hi - that's him, he was a year older than my nan, she was born 1886, so that would make him born 1885 .
On their wedding certificate James lived in West......., Sunningdale - can't make out the place

Hi Rose,
I don't think she used her maiden name - Cox after her first marriage in 1907.
I was just wondering if Sarah and James could be the parents of Lilian Agnes who was born in July 1907, so will order the certificate and see what the parents names are!
Her address is the same on both wedding certificates, her father (Thomas) is on both and she has a different brother as a witness - John on the 1907 and Alfred on the 1915

Looks like it is. He's born South Hinksey in 1901 also.

Rose

Is this James in 1891?

1891 England Census
about James Sadler
Name: James Sadler
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Sadler
Mother's Name: Julia Sadler
Gender: Male
Where born: South Hinksey, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: South Hinksey
Ecclesiastical parish: South Hinksey
Town: South Hinksey
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Abingdon
Sub-registration district: Fyfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household Members: Name Age
James Sadler 37
Julia Sadler 42
Harry Sadler 10
Jessie Sadler 9
James Sadler 6
Amy Sadler 3

Rose

Can you list all the details from the marriage certs? I mean names, ages, occupations, witnesses, etc.

It does seem odd that she never uses the name Cox after 1912.

Rose

Hi Maureen,

Thank you for all your help,.

It is strange that James seems to have disappeared, still will order the birth certificate of Lilian Agnes in 1907 and see who her parents are.

Enjoy your dinner and once again thanks for your help.



Moggymum

Sorry-I'm in the middle of throwing dinner at OH. I still don't see James in 1911. I wonder if he emigrated or something.

Maureen

on the 1907 wedding certificate he was listed as a footman - sorry for the delay but it's going really slow now!!

on the marriage certificate in 1907 he was a footman

What was James' occupation??

Maureen

Yep, have both the wedding certificates.

Cox was my Nan's maiden name (father Thomas and mother Hannah) so why in 1911 did they say they were married??!!!

My nan was known as Lilian, but on her birth and 1st wedding certificate she is Sarah!! Her daughter Margaret Helen, was listed on the boat to Australia as Helen Margaret??!!!

The birth of 1920 is my dad

Thanks for the 1911 census Maureen - I would just love to find out what happened to James but he seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth - and no records!!!

it's really strange that there are no records for James after 1907, and that by 1912 my nan was a widow - just thought she met my grandad and had my aunt out of wedlock (what a lovely old fashioned word!!) they then got married in 1915 (why the three year wait if she was a widow?) and then they had my dad in 1920 (who is nearly 91!!)

I will order Lilian's birth certificate of 1907 and see who her parents are listed as - watch this space!!

Thanks for all your help Flick,

Moggymum

Where does COX come from?

Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
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Pheby John W F Sadler Maidenhead 2c 870

Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)
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PHEBY William F Sadler Windsor 2c 1300
Sadler Lilian S A Pheby Windsor 2c 1300

Do you have this marriage cert?