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From the baptism of their son Edgar she would appear to be Jane Elizabeth

Edgar Fleming
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1887
Baptism Date: 22 May 1887
Father's Name: Thomas Fleming
Mother's Name: Jane Elizabeth Fleming
Parish or Poor Law Union: Kensington St Barnabas
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea




So tracing back from the Niece Constance Chandler who is with them in 1911 . Looks like a second marriage for Ellen as George Chandler is noted as son and Constance as Niece but probably Grand daughter

1901

Wm Miller
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Miller
Gender: Male
Where born: Belgrason, London, England
Civil parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch West Kensington Park and St Matthew
County/Island: London
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Miller 57
Ellen Miller 57
Geo H Chandler 20
Ellen B Chandler 16
May Johnson 6
Ecelyn Johnson 5
>>Constance Chandler 4
Geo Moore 2
Harry Pheasant 1

and here is Ellen with daughter Jane E in 1871.

1871

Jane E Chandler
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Chandler
Mother's Name: Ellen Chandler
Gender: Female
Where born: Blackwell, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Fulham
County/Island: London
Household Members: Name Age
George Chandler 29 >>>>>Carman
Ellen Chandler 27
>>>Jane E Chandler 6
Fanny Chandler 4
Alice F Chandler 3


and this is the marriage (Mistranscribed)

Jane Elizabeth Chandler
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
>>>Spouse Name: Thomas Haring Fleming on original image
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 28 Oct 1883
Parish: St Barnabas, Kensington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: George Chandler >>>>>Carman
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Haring >>>>>Labourer


So this Thomas Fleming married Jane Elizabeth Chandler and Thomas Mark Fleming married Jane Mary Griffiths.

The Banns were called for their marriage in 1893 but i can't find that they actually went through with the wedding.

William Miller
Spouse Name: Ellen Chandler
Record Type: Banns
Marriage Bann Date: 22 Oct 1893
Parish: St Peter, Hammersmith
County: London
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham

No here it is!

Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)
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>>>Chandler Ellen Fulham 1a 523
Joint Martha Agnes Fulham 1a 523
Miller Julia Agnes Fulham 1a 523
>>>Miller William Fulham 1a 523
Walker Thomas Fulham 1a 523

And i think that this may be a possible for her original marriage to George Chandler as they were both born in Hampshire.

Marriages Dec 1862 (>99%)
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Baker Mary Ann New Forest 2b 1073
Bunday Charles New Forest 2b 1073
>>>Chandler George New Forest 2b 1073
>>>Dixon Ellen New Forest 2b 1073


in 1891 Ellen gives her place of birth as Fawley in Hampshire


1851
Ellen Dixon
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Dixon
Mother's Name: Maria Dixon
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Fawley, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Fawley
County/Island: Hampshire
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Dixon 49
Maria Dixon 50
Martha Dixon 19
Mary Dixon 16
James Dixon 9
Ellen Dixon 7

George was still alive in the 1891 census so this is probably his death

Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
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Chandler George 49 Kensington 1a 185

So much information so quickly thanks folks Ill give you the family breakdown see if you can unravel my information sorry if it was a bit muddled it was about 3am when I posted and I was a bit tired here goes my father is Arthur Edward son of leonard the youngest of Thomas and Janes 8 sons , Im looking for Thomas family and Janes maiden name so I can trace her family. I did find a Thomas aged 8 in 1871 whos mother was down as Bridget aged 50 widow born in Ireland. I then found a Thomas Fleming in 1881 as a lodger at 5 portland rd and then another in 1891 married to a Jane so I probably got into a muddle fairly easily. Gill

Leonard's birth certificate will have his Mother's maiden name.
When and where was he born?

This one?
Births Sep 1904
Fleming Leonard Kensington 1a 166

Leonard Fleming
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1904
Baptism Date: 4 Sep 1904
Father's Name: Thomas Fleming
Mother's Name: Jane Elizabeth Fleming
Parish or Poor Law Union: Kensington St Barnabas
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea

You are correct that is my grandfather he was the only one of his siblings to pass the age of 70 he passed away in 1982. Thank you for your help once again patchem. Gill

o k need more help on the Tresadern front , have found Georges father in the 1891 census but cannot find any other references to him anywhere else. His name was John H Tresadern and he was married to Sarah S maiden name unknown and in 1891 he was 52 and she was 48 and they already had William aged10 George 14 and Albert aged 21 and lived in bethnall green. Sincerely Gill

1901 England Census
John Tresadeon
[John Tresadern] Age: 61 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Tresadeon Gender: Male Where born: Spitalfields Civil parish: Shoreditch St Leonard Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine Haggerston County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 79 boston street (?) Occupation:cutter Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Haggerston ED, institution, or vessel: 19 household schedule number: 87
John Tresadeon 61
Sarah Tresadeon 58
Albert Tresadeon 30
George Tresadeon 25
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 280; Folio: 64; Page: 16.

George's birth certificate will have his Mother's maiden name.

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Births Jun 1873
Tresadern George Richard Bethnal Green 1c 188

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1861 England Census
John Tresadern
Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Son Father's Name: George Tresaden Mother's Name: Eliza Tresadern Gender: Male Where born: Spitelfields, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England Street Address: 5 Halfmichal Street
Occupation: cabinet maker
Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Hackney Road ED, institution, or vessel: 2
George Tresaden 44 willow cutter Shoreditch
Eliza Tresadern 44 Islington
John Tresadern 20
Thomas Tresadern 18 splint cutter
Henry Tresadern 16 carver and gilder
James Tresadern 14
William Tresadern 12
Albert Tresadern 8
Eliza Tresadern 5
Arther Tresadern 3
James Andrews 46
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 250; Folio: 32; Page: 16; GSU roll: 542599.

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1871 England Census
John Treserdon
Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Treserdon Gender: Male Where born: Mile End Civil parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Hackney Road ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 217
John Treserdon 29 Willow Cutter Half Michal Street
Sarah Treserdon 28 Mile End
John Treserdon 5
Eliza Treserdon 2
Albert Treserdon 1
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 474; Folio: 47; Page: 39; GSU roll: 823368.

Harding not Tresadern....
1881 England Census
John Harding
Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Harding Gender: Male Where born: Spitalfields Civil parish: Bethnal Green County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 21 Half Nichol St Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Willow Cutter Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Hackney Road ED, institution, or vessel: 2
John Harding 42
Sarah Harding 38 Mile End
John Harding 15 Bethnal Green
Eliza Harding 12
Albert Harding 11
George Harding 4
William Harding
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 410; Folio: 52; Page: 44; GSU roll: 1341089.

A possible birth also:
Births Mar 1870
TRESADIREN Albert Bethnal Green 1c 349

Added:
Not sure now:
Births Sep 1868
TRESARDIREN Eliza Bethnal Green 1c 305
Births Mar 1869
Tresadem Eliza M Bethnal G. 1c 230a
Treshadem Eliza M Bethnal G. 1c 230a

patchem not sure what you mean by not Tresadern but Harding can you enlighten me further please. Gill

patchem just thought John H Tresadern could be J ohn Harding Tresadern?

In 1881 the family are going by the surname Harding - it is definitely them as there are too many coincidences of names, occupations and places.
Where is he down as being John H Tresadern, is that the 1891 census?
Your suggestion of he being John Harding Tresadern looks a strong possibility.

yeah the 1891 census has him down as John H Trewsadern it could be the same as the other side of the family where Amy Jane Allen added her mothers maiden name to make Roache Allen which was why it was difficult to find her. Gill

Ok everyone who has helped me could you do so again? I am looking for George Tresaderns wifes family the Davidsons I can find Sarah and a brother John but not her parents John born in 1811 approx and hae mother also Sarah born in 1806 approx, according to the 1841 census has 3 older siblings for Sarah Elizabeth b 1829 Caroline b1832 and John b 1837 all approx I think they were in Turnmill st st james clerkenwell. I cannot find anything to do with her siblings but did find her mother in 1861 living on her own with daughter Sarah then aged 22. And thats it if anyone can tke me forward I would be grateful. Gill

So you are looking for the family of Sarah Davidson, 1843, Mile End?
What is her Mother's maiden name from Sarah's birth certificate?
If the census below is the 'correct' 1841 one, then Sarah was born in about 1839, not 1843, as showing on the later censuses?

1841 England Census
John Davidson
Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Gender: Male Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: St James Clerkenwell Hundred: Ossulstone (Finsbury Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Street Address: Turnmill Street Occupation: cutler
Registration district: Clerkenwell Sub-registration district: St James
Piece: 661 Book: 10 Folio: 24 Page Number: 7

John Davidson 30
Sarah Davidson 35 not local
Elizabeth Davidson 12
Caroline Davidson 9 not local
John Davidson 5
Sarah Davidson 2

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 661; Book: 10; Civil Parish: St James Clerkenwell; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 24; Folio: 24; Page: 7; Line: 15; GSU roll: 438778.

1851 England Census
Sarah Davidson
Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805
Relation: Head Gender: F (Female) Where born: Thundersley, Essex, England Civil parish: Clerkenwell County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Market Street Occupation: laundress
Registration district: Clerkenwell Sub-registration district: Goswell Street ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 235
Piece: 1519 Folio: 27 Page Number: 46

Sarah Davidson 46 widow
John Davidson 14 apprentice to printer
Sarah Davidson 11

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1519; Folio: 27; Page: 46; GSU roll: 87853.