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So John was born between 24th Feb 1910 and 23rd Feb 1911, which means that the Dec qtr 1911 birth isn't his, unless the age he declared was not accurate.

A 'deceased' father could have been made up....................

Who witnessed the marriage?

If John's age is correct on the marriage cert he must have been born by Feb 1911.
Katie

If the earlier birth is correct then this is the parents' marriage

Marriages Dec 1895
Fisher Richard Sunderland 10a 865
Macklin Mary Jane Sunderland 10a 865

Sorry for the delay.

27 Henry Street is occupied by a family called Scott, another family called Maisey, another called Farrell and a family called Watson.

31 Wear Street has a family called Ford, another called Fowler, another called Lamb and a family called Bell.

Unfortunately no Fishers.

Kath. x

Not sure whether or not this is relevant but I was going through the other numbers in Wear Street in case the Usher family had moved about in the same street (some of my lot did this regularly) and I came across a Fisher family so thought I would give you the details - although I don't think the John there can be the one you are looking for as he is too young:-

474 FISHER, Richard Head Married M 40 1871 Dock Labour Timber Yard Sunderland Durham

474 FISHER, Mary Jane Wife Married 15 years F 33 1878 Sunderland Durham

474 FISHER, Mary Ann Daughter F 14 1897 Sunderland Durham

474 FISHER, Richard Son M 12 1899 School Hartlepool Durham

474 FISHER, John Alfred Son M 9 1902 School Hartlepool Durham

474 FISHER, Margrate Wharton Daughter F 8 1903 School Hartlepool Durham

474 FISHER, Frances Daughter F 5 1906 School Hartlepool Durham

474 FISHER, Edward Wharton Son M 3 1908 School Hartlepool Durham

474 FISHER, John Son M 0 1911 Sunderland Durham

Address:
27 Wear Street Sunderland

Reference:
RG14PN30203 RG78PN1741 RD555 SD2 ED22 SN474

Kath. x

Isn't that the 1911 that was posted before?

Can we get one thing sorted out?

Are we all searching for Fisher/Thompson based purely on the Dec 1911 birth reg'n which is probably not even the right JOHN FISHER?

Is there one other shred of evidence to support the idea that John's mother's maiden name was Thompson?

This birth looks a better bet.....................IF the age at marriage is accurate

Births Dec 1910 (>99%)
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FISHER John Sunderland 10a 663

Sorry Flick - this 1911 census has been posted before. I was just concentrating on the address rather than the family. Sorry.

Kath. x

I agree Flick, he would have known his age at marriage but the person reporting his death might have easily got it wrong.
Katie

Kath............

No probs...........I was just verifying.............rhetorical question, really
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The child John in that record in 8 months old

Katie..........

As his wife outlived him, one would assume that she registered his death, or, at the very least, gave the info to the person who did.

Flick,
I often get my age slightly wrong now! If asked my husbands age I have to work it out, a mistake one year either way is easy to make!
Katie

thanks so much for you help so far ..

flick i havent got any written evidence of Thompson i just went off dates and info i was given

the marriage on 23.2.1935 states he was 24 yrs so i looked and there is 1 john fisher born sunderland in 1911 thats where i got thompson

his death notification in paper on 11.8.1952 says 40 years old his wife was still alive when he died .

i have also his army number which will be another area i need to search !

the marriage was witnessed by a c and jg ellemore ( no idea who )

christine
x

thanks for looking Kathleen

christine

x

wonder if these are the witnesses

Marriages Dec 1932 (>99%)
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Ellemore John G Fisher Sunderland 10a 1395
Fisher Catherine Ellemore Sunderland 10a 1395

Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
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FISHER Catherine Thompson Sunderland 10a 1498


Name: Catherine Ellemore
Birth Date: 8 Jan 1914
Death Registration Month/Year: Oct 1987
Age at death (estimated): 73
Registration district: Stevenage
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 10
Page: 974

so it looks like his mothers maiden name was Thompson if thats his sister


Just to add husbands death to verify why she was in Hertfordshire

Name: John George Ellemore
Birth Date: Aug 1911
Death Registration Month/Year: 1977
Registration district: Stevenage
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 10
Page: 0976

Christine

Look at my first posting on this page..........and check the maths.

BUT..........that assumes he told the truth about his age when he married - he may have added a year to avoid appearing younger than his wife

The Dec 1911 birth doesn't appear to tie in with a father named JOHN, but the only way to find out is to get the cert

This may be totally irrelevant, but there is ONE marriage of John Fisher to Thompson in Sunderland.........

Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
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Fisher John Thompson Sunderland 10a 1312
Thompson Sarah A Fisher Sunderland 10a 1312

aggghhhhh i knew i shouldnt have started !!!!!! im so confused now ...not that it takes much .lol.

right so the birth i thought was his with mothers maiden name of thompson isnt ???

the witnesses on the marriage cert were related somewhere ..but they also have a thompson link !!

anymore suggestions please .... was going to go monday and get the birth cert but dont know what to do ..

thanks flick and jax

christine
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I think Catherine is his sister that is her birth as it matches her death record

Of course I could be wrong, but looks very likely

jax