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HIya, this is a very old thread of mine but I'm hoping that someone will still have a look for me and possibly help with Annie, Emilys mother.

I have now got the birth certificate for Emily and her mother was Annie Verdon which annoyingly was the second name that the first brother also called Edward who died young was called. So it was there all along!!!! Grrrrr

Annie Verdon was french and that's about all I have on her.
There is no birth date or death date for her so I am wondering if she was not from the UK.

I have also since found out that Emma's father Edward went on to marry for the third time although on his 2nd marriage to Louise, Emily's stepmother, it states Edward was a bachelor yet on his third marriage after Louise it states he was a widower so the question is did Edward ever marry Annie Verdon in the first place.

So mystery solved part 1 to open up another load of questions!
Where and who is Annie Verdon????

just to add - Edward states he is a Bachelor on his marriage to Louisa Comber


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Edward Chater
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Spouse Name: Louisa Comber
Spouse Age: 42
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 26 Aug 1888
Parish: St James the Great, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Thomas Chater
Spouse Father Name: James Taylor

I am sure that the mother is called Anne and the children are Emma Emily Chater and Annie Sarah Chater.

I don't know what Anne's surname was or where she was on nany of the cencus as she is not on the one for 1881 with the two sisters and I have not found any with the whole family on.

I have nothing for Emma Emily Chater or her sister Annie Sarah Chater until 1881

Comming back to my reply on 8 Jan.
Is there a possibility that the names have been swaped in the Parish register.
Could the mothers name be Anne and childs name be Emma Emily.

I have come across mistakes before.

I've managed to find Edward's parents and siblings.
On the 1861 cencus Edward is living as a boarder with Emma Rogers.
Emma was originally Chater as well and married Thomas Rogers in 1854.

Here is the family in 1841 in Southam
Thomas Chater 40
Ann Chater 30
Thomas Chater 10
Jane Chater 8
Edward Chater 6
Emma Chater 4
George Chater 3
Jemima Chater 2 MO

I still can't find Edward in 1871 which as his youngest daughter Emily was born in 1870 should show Edward's wife though I am wondering if she died shortly after having Emily/

Also Edward married Louise Comber, (the named housekeeper in the 1881 cencus) in 1888. Could Louise in fact be the mother and that they were not married? 1891 cencus spells Chator as Chador

she's very elusive...
trickiest one yet I've come across!
I wonder if she died on giving birth to Emily then.

No mothers name I am afraid !!

Dea x

there are wedding banns for Emma's and James Ernest Adams. Would these have Emma's mother name on it?

Ancestry is sooooooooo slow and not loading properly for me.
grrrr

For Emma I have:

Birth - 1870
For her birth I have a death certificate stating
D.O.B 1870 26 Nov, in Poplar, London, England

1871
Nothing, can't find her anywhere

1881
Possible living at 20 Dod St, Limehouse, London, England
with sister Anne. Father at hospital?

1891
Possible living as servant at Bromley, London

21st Feb 1892 Marriage at St Nicholas, Plumstead
Marriage to James Ernest Adams (who was borm James Ernest Adam Bultitude - another story and a half but now resolved!)

1901
Residence in Greenwich London with husband James and children
James E Adams age 34, Emma Adams age 30,
Frances Adams age 7, Mabel Adams age 3, Alfred Adams age 2

Dec 1956 Death
Rutherglen Road Plumstead SE18

Try ordering the birth cert again but send to GRO this time - It is probably a lot cheaper than the other site you went to as well ??

Dea x

Boring food for me too - BUT essential !!

I have my doubts about this !! - These two DO seem to add up to the ones on the 1881 census!!

BUT, Anne Sarah and Emma Emily seem to have the same father but a different mother.

I cannot find a death for the mother which would tie it together !!

I have a 'feeling' that you 'may' have the wrong Emma on 1881 ???

Can you give me ALL the info you have please ??


Dea Xxx

Emma Chater is the birth certificate I tried to get but was told its not available....

Hiya Dea, did you buy anything nice when shopping?
I just got boring food!

Anyway, from searches I have:

Births Dec 1868
CHATER Annie Sarah Poplar 1c 704

Births Dec 1870
CHATER Emma Emily Poplar 1c 659

and on the cencus records they do give approx 2 years difference between the girls.

If you have the date of birth on her death cert, strangely, this is the date of birth for Ann - parents Edward and Emma Emily !!

There is something weird going on here !!

Dea Xxx

I've just found the death of Edward who was christened the same time as Annie, so death of Anne's and Emily's olderr brother would explain why he is not on any of the cencus records.

Edward Vernon Chater
Birth 6 May 1867 in Poplar, Greater London, London,
Death Dec 1869 in Poplar, Greater London, London,

Hiya, I am in Bedfordshire, UK area. My membership an ancestry is the annual essentials which means I can see lots of records but if I do a search for births or weddindgs I get christenning and banns results but I would have to upgrade to premium to see the results, which it blanks out the names on the search results except for the name of who I am searching for.

Its a bit of a "we have a potential result but you will have to pay more to see it"!

I know Emma's d.o.b as it is on her death certificate.

Dea,
I have normal Ancestry but no access to London Christenings (none of my ancestors ever went near the place) so it did not matter until I started helping on here. If I try to look something up it asks me to upgrade. I assumed my membership was Essentials and Premium was required.

You have me puzzled Ruth,

Are you based outside the UK then?

I have only the normal Ancestry UK annual membership but I have access to the London Christenings and Marriages etc. so surely you must have access too?

Dea x

P.S. - How do you know Emma's exact birthdate?

Dea x

That's ever so nice of you. I've started helping on searches where I can but mainly on another forum. Must go do shopping too!

Will have plenty to start looking at. When my annual ancestry subscription runs out I'm seriously considering going up a level to view christenings and marriage banns as this tends to be which stops me finding the details quite often.

Yes, It IS addictive !!!

I have been sitting here working on this, and a couple of other queries since 7 am this morning - I REALLY MUST go and do some shopping or we will starve!!

Will be back later though,

Dea Xxx