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Hi there, I've had some amazing help on here pointing me in the right direction loads of times and have managed to save money by getting the right certificate each time thanks to some very lovely people on here.

So I'm hoping that someone might be able to help me with a relative called Emma Emily Chater born 26th November 1870 in Poplar, London.

I think Chater is a French surname and family members have said there was talk of a french ancestry but I'm not sure how far back.

Emily's dad was Edward Chater. Also there was a sister called Annie who was a few years older than Emma, but I've not been able to find any records on Edward or Annie and I can't find any details on the mother.

I did send off for Emily's birth certificate and was told it couldn't be found! Any ideas why this might be?

I do have a standard access to ancestry and can see there was a christening for Emily but can't see the record so was hoping if anyone else can as that would give me a mothers name to help with further searches.

Can anyone help please?

Actually thinking about it, they said the certificate was not available, and didn't say not found. Don't know if this makes any difference though!

Births Dec 1870
CHATER Emma Emily Poplar 1c 659

Phone up and ask them what is the problem?

This is the only one I found, not right name:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Ann Chater Name: Ann Chater
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1870
Baptism Date: 11 Dec 1870
Father's name: Edward Chater
Mother's name: Emma Emily Chater
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bromley St Leonard St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets

That christening for Ann does show a birth date of 26th November, 1870 !!

There is some confusion here?

Dea x

I ordered the certificate through the yougov site and had no problems with others.

I think Emily's mother died when Emily was young, but this is only from family stories coming down and I don't know how accurate that is.

I got Emily's details from her wedding certificate to James Adams and it gives her father as Edward Chater.

I found an 1881 census record which shows an Anne and Emily Chater living with a Louise Comber in LimeHouse in London. It shows them as scholars so might be the correct one.

I take it you are working backwards from this record?

1881 England Census
about Emma E. Chater Name: Emma E. Chater
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Annie P. Chater
Gender: Female
Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Limehouse
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 20 Dod St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie P. Chater 12 (Image looks like Annie 'S' ??)
Emma E. Chater 10
Louisa Comber 35 Housekeeper.


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 469; Folio: 49; Page: 23; GSU roll: 1341103.

NB - Image also says Annie + Emma are the daughters of Edward who is in Hospital !!!

Dea x

I have that record but failed to notice that Edward is in hospital!
I think it's put Annie as mother as she was the older sister but only by a few years.

No mention of any older female Chater so it looks like the mother had died or left the family.

Could this be Edward?

It says he is 'unmarried' but he may have been estranged from his wife and called himself unmarried?

1881 England Census
about Edward Chaters

Name: Edward Chaters (Looks like Chater on image)
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Patient
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: St Marks Hospital 292 City Rd ******
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: General Labourer

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Old Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 8

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Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 360; Folio: 65; Page: 26; GSU roll: 1341078.

Dea x

EDIT: - Looking at previous census, I am not convinced this is him but he is the only one I can find in Hospital.

Dea x

This is Annie's birth - the cert would give you parents, presumably both of her and of Emma.

Births Dec 1868
CHATER Annie Sarah Poplar 1c 704

Dea x

It is a possibility. I need to find and order her birth certificate to confirm but finding a match is not easy. There seem to be variants of the way Chater is slept which doesn't help.

I'm going to have a look again at confirmed details for Edward as I'm sure I've come across general labourer before, but trying to remember where.

It's a massive pain he was in hospital at the 1881 census as could have got a lot more details about him to help locate correct records. Ah well, can't really condone an I'll man!

Thanks Dea, I hadn't found that one.
It's addictive this ancestry hobby isn't it!

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Annie Sarah Chater Name: Annie Sarah Chater
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1868
Baptism Date: 3 Jul 1868
Father's name: Edward Chater
Mother's name: Anne Chater
Parish or Poor Law Union: Poplar All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Born 24th May, 1868

Also baptised at the same time:

Edward Verdon? Chater
Born 6th May, 1867

Dea x

Yes, It IS addictive !!!

I have been sitting here working on this, and a couple of other queries since 7 am this morning - I REALLY MUST go and do some shopping or we will starve!!

Will be back later though,

Dea Xxx

That's ever so nice of you. I've started helping on searches where I can but mainly on another forum. Must go do shopping too!

Will have plenty to start looking at. When my annual ancestry subscription runs out I'm seriously considering going up a level to view christenings and marriage banns as this tends to be which stops me finding the details quite often.

You have me puzzled Ruth,

Are you based outside the UK then?

I have only the normal Ancestry UK annual membership but I have access to the London Christenings and Marriages etc. so surely you must have access too?

Dea x

P.S. - How do you know Emma's exact birthdate?

Dea x

Dea,
I have normal Ancestry but no access to London Christenings (none of my ancestors ever went near the place) so it did not matter until I started helping on here. If I try to look something up it asks me to upgrade. I assumed my membership was Essentials and Premium was required.

Hiya, I am in Bedfordshire, UK area. My membership an ancestry is the annual essentials which means I can see lots of records but if I do a search for births or weddindgs I get christenning and banns results but I would have to upgrade to premium to see the results, which it blanks out the names on the search results except for the name of who I am searching for.

Its a bit of a "we have a potential result but you will have to pay more to see it"!

I know Emma's d.o.b as it is on her death certificate.