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Ozibird
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8 Nov 2010 02:33 |
Sorry, Chevaun. Things are a bit topsy-turvey with me being in Australia. So I'm pleased Madmeg was able to fill you in.
Did you mean that there was no mention of Annie & Sarah in 1911?
???? Marriages Sep 1908 HARTLEY Emma Bradford 9b 51 JACKSON Walter Bradford 9b 51 OTAWAY Sarah Bradford 9b 51 SMITH Walter Bradford 9b 51
Births Dec 1912 Smith Walter Otway Bradford 9b 211 Births Dec 1913 Smith Lillian Otway Bradford 9b 213
Deaths Jun 1915 ???? Young Walter. Smith Walter 3 Bradford 9b 198
Births Sep 1915 A second son named Walter????? Smith Walter Otway Bradford 9b 204
Perhaps? Marriages Mar 1919 Harvey James W Pratt Bradford 9b 263 Otway Annie Western Bradford 9b 263 Pratt Catherine Harvey Bradford 9b 263 Western George E Otway Bradford 9b 263 Western George _ Otway Bradford 9b 263
There are 4 Western/Otway births.
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8 Nov 2010 02:53 |
Sorry, I deleted the above by mistake.
I think this is Annie.
Births Jun 1887 Otway Annie Elizabeth Bradford, Y. 9b 166 1891: Ann E Otway Geo, Annie abt 1887 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Daughter Bradford, Yorkshire
Marriages Jun 1908 NEEDHAM Samuel Bradford 9b 195 Otway Annie Elizabeth Bradford 9b 195 Parker Bertha Lydia Bradford 9b 195 Uttley Fred Bradford 9b 195
1911: UTTLEY FREDERICK M 1882 29 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding UTTLEY ANNIE ELIZBTH F 1887 24 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding UTTLEY EMILY F 1907 4 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding UTTLEY ALICE F 1908 3 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
Births Dec 1911 Uttley George F Otway Bradford 9b 218 Births Mar 1913 Uttley Sarah Otway Bradford 9b 264 Births Dec 1914 Uttley Mary E Otway Bradford 9b 282 Births Sep 1917 Uttley Arthur Otway Bradford 9b 200
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Chevaun
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8 Nov 2010 11:10 |
Hi, Thanks for all the information.
Yes, Ozibird I did mean no mention of Annie and Sarah on the 1911, when the family were back with the grandma. From the info that you have provided it would appear that Annie and Sarah married. I find the breakdown of all of this information so confusing, I hope this researching will get easier with time! Can you tell me if this breakdown is the log of the marriage to Uttley? Sorry if this is a stupid question, I just can't understand why Needham is the predominant name (in capitals)??? Marriages Jun 1908 NEEDHAM Samuel Bradford 9b 195 Otway Annie Elizabeth Bradford 9b 195 Parker Bertha Lydia Bradford 9b 195 Uttley Fred Bradford 9b 195 Any explanation would be greatly appreciated.
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Kucinta
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8 Nov 2010 11:16 |
Marriages Jun 1908 NEEDHAM Samuel Bradford 9b 195 Otway Annie Elizabeth Bradford 9b 195 Parker Bertha Lydia Bradford 9b 195 Uttley Fred Bradford 9b 195
These are just the two marriages listed on that particular register page. You can't tell by looking at it which bride married which groom, but can always try crossreferencing with the next census.
Annie Otway in theory could have married either Needham or Uttley, but the later census info supported Uttley.
AS far as I know there is no significance in some surnames being capitalised, It's just a FBMD quirk, unless someone else knows otherwise, in which case I wll stand corrected.
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Chevaun
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8 Nov 2010 11:32 |
Thanks for that Kucinta, that explains things a lot clearer. When I was trying to do my own searches and info like this was coming up, I was dismissing it 'cos I was thinking it was the wrong person... it's just taking me so long to get the hang of all of this!
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Kucinta
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8 Nov 2010 11:50 |
Glad to have been of help.
If you look at the possble marriage for Sarah Otway that Ozibird posted, it looks like she decided between the two possible bridegrooms by looking for children with their surnames and a mother maiden name Otway, and came up with Walter Smith rather than Walter Jackson as the likely husband.
Sometimes the only way to find out is to send for the actual marriage cert, but Ozibird has admirably demonstrated how a little cross-referencing with other sources can sort it out without having to resort to that.
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Ozibird
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8 Nov 2010 12:10 |
Thanks, Kucinta.
Chevaun, this is so second-nature to me now that I forget new researchers can't follow what I'm doing. Kucinta explained it perfectly.
The capital letters for an index name on the freebmd website means that entry has been double checked by two different transcribers, therefore likely to be exact. That doesn't mean the others are not right. They just haven't been double-checked yet.
Ozi
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Chevaun
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8 Nov 2010 12:26 |
Thanks Kucinta and Ozibird. The time and effort you have both put into researching George and family on my behalf and also explaining to me your findings is very much appreciated.
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