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well the manning birth cert for kathllen is definatly no match as it says mannering. The wedding cert for william lynch and kathleen kenny has father as martin kenny. so after looking ay kathleens brothers and sisters marraiges we have found norah hurley as her mum to be a definate match. hooray. half the mystery solved

Now for william lynch. His father is down as frederick Lynch a fruitier.

my mother knows he had a sister Alice who married a sydney cutler.

one day kathllen heard somone call him(william) mitch!

I think I have the alice /cutler marraige which would make her alice mitchell born 1906 married sydney cutler born 1902 they married southwark 1927.
my mum said william lynch lived with the lynch's. This is where I now need some help to find williams birth please? and to try and find out if he was indeed a lynch or mitchell. his date of birth was 5 july but not sure of year. mum thinks its 1915-1917
any help would be greatly appreciated thank you

What was Alices fathers name and occupation please Clare?

I think it was robert mitchell 23/11/1874 st saviour but not 100% dont know his trade im afraid
thanks

And when and where did William Lynch die please?

1911 for Alice?
MITCHELL, Robert Head Married M 33 1878 Hawker Books Borough of Bermondsey
MITCHELL, Elizabeth Wife Married 15 years
F 31 1880 Borough of Bermondsey
JOHNSON, Elizabeth Daughter F 11 1900 School Borough of Bermondsey
MITCHELL, Alice Daughter F 4 1907 School Borough of Southwark
MITCHELL, John Son M 2 1909 Borough of Southwark

Registration District:
Southwark Sub District:
Kent Road Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Southwark St George the Martyr

Address:
25 Pardoner St SE County:
London

Hmm,married 15 yrs and yet they have an Elizabeth Johnson in house as "daughter"at only 11 yrs of age.
Transcript is correct.

Name: William Lynch
Birth Date: 7 Jul 1916
Death Registration Month/Year: Dec 1999
Age at death (estimated): 83
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: London, Surrey
Register number: A61B
District and Subdistrict: 2251A
Entry number: 20

william lynch died 24/12/1999 in croydon london but my mum reg his death so details are only as she knows thanks

yes I looked at those details and I am only hesitant as my mum said he also had a brother ronald but I cant find any trace of him either she thought it was lynch but as I say I can only find this one marraige of an alice to a sydney cutler! strange

yes the death of william lynch is correct I thought mum had said 5th but 7th is very likely
thanks

Marriages Dec 1906
Johnson Elizabeth Southwark 1d 128
MITCHELL Robert William Southwark 1d 128

Name: Robert William Mitchell<<<<<,,Hawker
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Johnson
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 22 Oct 1906
Parish: St Mary Magdalene
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Thomas Mitchell
Spouse Father Name: John Johnson

Address for both 15 kingslake st...Bachelor and spinster..both fathers deceased.

Births Sep 1916
Mitchell William Johnson Southwark 1d 54

Plus extras?

Births Dec 1911
MITCHELL Rose Johnson Southwark 1d 40

Births Mar 1914
MITCHELL Robert W Johnson Southwark 1d 33

Births Sep 1916
Mitchell James E Johnson Southwark 1d 66

that looks promising. thankyou

Was he born in that area of London?

Edits...
Janey.
I stayed out of the Kathleen one on purpose as thats your baby..:)

Already I'm lost.

"well the manning birth cert for kathleen is definatly no match as it says mannering."

I don't know what says Mannering. Father's name? Isn't that a little coincidental, if so, since what we were looking for was Manning?

-- Hold on -- wasn't it a *Kenny* birth certificate you were getting? Is that what you're referring to?


Clare, can you just tell us everything on the birth certificate?

Name, date of birth, names of parents, who registered, etc. etc.

The fact that Kathleen stated her father to be Martin Kenny when she married doesn't mean he was ...

I'm going to bypass the William Lynch business for now and stick to Kathleen, myself. ;)

mum thinks bermondsey so yes that could well be him Im just wondering about the brother ronald!?
seems strange that alice fits but no ronald however if they are anything like my dads side he may not have even been called ronald????!!!!!
thanks

Hi janeycranuck here goes kathleen born 24/12/1920 28 marloes road. mother julia mannering domestic servant of 28 cornwall mews
no father given
registered 6 jan kensington
thanks

Wait, wait, I *am* confused. Is this the birth cert you're talking about?

Name: Kathleen Manning
Mother's Maiden Surname: Manning
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1921
Registration district: Kensington
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 145

Yes, I think we'd mostly ruled that one out but you'd already ordered it, I guess.

Sorry to talk at cross-purposes here but I'm sticking to Kathleen. ;)

So you haven't got the Kenny birth cert yet?

Was going to get the kenny birth cert when the manning one arrived to see what that said first. thanks

yes thats the one and yes I had already ordered it. Im laughing now cause yes it is soooo confusing and I know who we are talking about so You folk need a medal x

no kenny birth cert but its on way x

If this is william mitchell then why would he change his name to lynch? he often left mum and her brother with alice when william and kathleen fell out (often) so I would think that she was his real sister. was this common then?

If his mother died when he was young and he was brought up by the Lynch family maybe he prefered to be known as Lynch as he loved them?
And there was no "legal"adoption until 1929 I think it was.
It happened back then as it does now.

Only one way to find out if that is his birth unfortunately..

Ronald Lynch may have been his "adoptive"parents son ,but he still called him "brother",lots of things to bring in to the reasons for things.

Was Ronald older or younger and where would he have been born and who did he marry?
Just a train of thought I would like to follow up.

Gotta cook,back in an hour or so to have another look.

Is this Ronald?

Name: Ronald Lynch
Birth Date: 13 Sep 1927
Death Registration Month/Year: 1983
Registration district: Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 15
Page: 0066

Probably not as I think his fathers name is Michael Lynch.