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Possible death? Robert had already joined the military school (1879 if I remember correctly) and Ernest ended up in the workhouse in 1881:

Deaths Mar 1880 (>99%)
Hughes Isabella 46 Fulham 1a 151

Julie

I've been thinking that if Robert was the only one with a, er, legitimate claim to the Daubeney name, that could explain him being the one who got the special school while Ernest got tossed onto the charity of the parish.

Hold on now, why are you still chasing Hughes-s? Oh right, becuase of the birth reg as Hughes. Hurry up and get that certificate, MC!


I'm going to bet this is the one who married Nicholson:

Name: Issabella Rebecca White
Baptism/Christening Date: 26 Aug 1827
> Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT JAMES, PADDINGTON, LONDON, ENGLAND
Father's Name: Thomas White
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C07903-2
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 579297
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

1851

Name: Isabella White
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Sister
Where born: St George H Sq, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square


Too old to be ours. Just a red herring of my own catching!

There is only one Giles Hughes birth reg 1860-1870. Also no Giles Hughes deaths. In fact, that is the only Giles Hughes anything in the GRO index, and there are none in any census. The IGI has the odd other one, but all 1830 or earlier.

But there's this christening:

GILES HUGHES
Christening: 18 JUN 1865 Nantcwnlle, Cardigan, Wales
Mother: ANNE HUGHES
Batch No.: C082571

Now, it could have been a child who died in infancy whose birth wasn't registered. One way or another, I'm sure it's a giant coincidence. ;)

Just to let all the kind people who helped on this that I've now got the birth certificate of Giles Frederick Daubeney born 25 Mar 1864, birthplace 11 Brunswick Terrace, somewhere around Islington West.

The mother's name was Isabelle ALICE Hughes and the father Frederick Daubeney (occupation Gentleman, of 11 Brunswick Terrace, Bainsbury Road). It was Frederick Daubeney that registered the birth.

So, although they weren't married the baby was born at his house.

The two things that are interesting are that his address is Bainsbury Road and that is the birthplace of Frederick, Robert and Ernest in the 1871 census found earlier. Also, that we always understood my G-grandfather Robert's mother to be called Alice.

I don't think I've yet joined all the dots up but feel it's getting closer ......

Off now to see what more I can find out about Frederick and Isabelle.

Just tried doing address search on those addresses but no match in Islington.

Would it be Barnsbury Road?...

Chris :)

Brunswick Terrace Barnsbury Road Lower RG 9/128 125-126

1861 reg. district Islington. if any help...

1861 England Census
about Edwin Benthf
Name: Edwin Benthf
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Maria Bentlef
Gender: Male
Where born: Maidstone, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Maria Bentlef 51
John E Sadgrone 44
Frederick Hudson 20
Edwin Benthf 16
Elizabeth Sanderscock 56
Ann Hemings 24
Louisa Hemings 44

(this comes up as 11, lower Brunswick Terrace)


(saw this 1861)

1861 address search redefine current search
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

HUGHES, Isabella Alice Lodger Unmarried F 19 1842 Fundholder
Middlesex VIEW
HUGHES, Frederick Son Unmarried M 1 1860
Middlesex VIEW
SEAMAN, Anne Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 19 1842 Housemaid
VIEW
CLARK, Sarah Jane Servant Unmarried F 18 1843 Cook
Norfolk VIEW

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
96 Folio:
34 Page:
24

Registration District:
Pancras Sub District:
1 Regent's Park Enumeration District:
12 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Christchurch

Civil Parish:
St Pancras Municipal Borough:
Address:
68, Albany Street, St Pancras County:
London, Middlesex

1851 Address: 33, Francis Street, Saint Pancras, Marylebone
HUGHES, William Head Married M 44 1807 Grocer & Oilman
Marylebone Middlesex
HUGHES, Francis Wife Married F 35 1816 Cambridgeshire
HUGHES, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 12 1839 Scholar
Hampstead Middlesex
HUGHES, Alpin H Son Unmarried M 10 1841 Scholar
St Anne Soho Middlesex
HUGHES, Anna M Daughter Unmarried F 8 1843 St George Bloomsbury
Middlesex
HUGHES, Isabella Daughter Unmarried F 6 1845
St Pancras Middlesex
HUGHES, Henry C Son Unmarried M 4 1847
St Pancras Middlesex

Chris - That's it!

Have just been searching but you beat me. That's Isabella BUT Giles Frederick wasn't born until 1864. So did she have a Frederick in 1860 then another in 1864? this is getting weird.

perhaps Frederick in 1860, and Giles Frederick in 1864...

Chris :)

(no idea where father Frederick D is though)

Fantastic news MC - a link to Alice at last!
The first Frederick may have died & the second one named after him.
But that Isabella Hughes age doesn't fit with the one in 1871 who was 35. On the 1871 image it does look like 35 (making her born c1836 ).
I can see this thread keeping me awake again!
Julie

Sigh, I said it was BaRnsbury waaaay back. As in Barnsbury, Middlesex. Barnsbury is part of Islington and Barnsbury Rd is in Islington.

Remember? --

1901

Name: Fredk Daubney
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
> Where born: Barnsbury
Civil Parish: Greenwich

Boarding with James Daubney c1875 place of birth not stated, whose father is George Daubney c1847 born Kennington -- these people seem to be some sort of odd coincidence, though.

More to the point, our mistranscribed Ernest whom I found in 1901:

Name: Ernest Danberry - it says Danbeny
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Danberry
Gender: Male
Occupation: Milk Carrier
> Where born: Barnsbury, London, England
Civil Parish: West Ham


Were you going to correct his name, MC, or do you want it done?

Feel like I'm going round in circles now!

I think the 1871 family from BaRnsbury (yes, you were right, Janey!) seems more likely to be mine. I was quite excited about Isabella Alice but the age doesn't fit as Julie says. There does seem to be quite a number of Frederick Daubeneys dotted about so maybe Giles Frederick is one of those?

Janey, can't find anywhere on Ancestry to report a mistranscription?

Great 'Thread' though MC :-)
Fingers crossed for you...

Chris :)

MC -- when you're looking at an individual census record, over in the links on the left-hand side is "Add alternate information". Click there and you get a form for correcting. Ancestry doesn't review what's added, it just incorporates it in the database, where it is then searchable after a few days. I always explain the source of the info (sometimes it's just a correct reading of the image), and my connection with the person, and include an "at gmail dot com" email address where I can be contacted permanently.

I've had a couple of excellent contacts through Ancestry because of things I fixed. One involved adding a letter to a grx3 grmother's middle name. That netted me a cousin with whom I share a grx4 grmother (different husbands), who lives in the place in question and had loads of research to share. Another found a grx2 grddaughter of my gr-grfather's sister (a lot of generational shift there, she's older than me and generation of my pre-teen nieces!), who had never known her ancestor's name. Emma Hill (the sister of old weird Ernest Hill/Monck the unacknowledged descendant of the Viscount line) ... who she had always been told was a Miss Montmorency from France. ;) So who knows, you might someday get an email from someone with proof of the whole Daubeney deal ... or someone even more clueless than you! I stick notes on absolutely everybody I run across at Ancestry, just in case.

Ah, the down for maintenance message again ...

Haven't found anything else significant yet.
There appears to be a Lower, Middle and Upper Brunswick Terrace in 1861 but only Lower and Upper have No11. This family is at 11 Upper BT:

Sarah M Cox 54
Jane L Cox 23
William J Cox 17
Emily Cox 15
Robert Jieldwick 42

And just for interests sake & historical context...........

Found a letter from Charles Dickens dated 1862 to a Miss Barrow at 11 Brunswick Terrace - haven't much of a clue what he's on about!

But try as I might I cannot paste a link to it - try googling this:

Letters: 1862-1864 By Charles Dickens - then use the search box for the book and put in Miss Barrow.

Oh and some photos of posh ladies in frocks - well she may have looked like this depending on her financial circumstances.................

www.cartes.freeuk.com/dec/dated.htm

Julie

Thanks so much for that Julie.

Those frocks are to die for! Just what I need for the Christmas works do. I love looking at photos like that - it's around the time my house was built and it gives an idea of what the then inhabitants would have been like.

That letter is really interesting too, apart from the fact it's from Dickens it gives an insight into the social standing of the occupants. Given that Frederick Daubeny was a gentleman and Miss Barrows was a relative of Dickens, I don't think it was the roughest end of town!

It shows the change in occupants too as Miss Barrow wasn't there in 1861. British History on Line suggests that the Terraced Houses around Barnsbury did eventually become houses of multiple occupancy and not as desirable as when they were first built. No firm dates are given though.

A record entry at The National Archives suggests Brunswick Terrace was swallowed up by Barnsbury Road.

"Access to Archives

London Metropolitan Archives

LONDON COUNTY COUNCIL
COUNCIL DEEDS LCC/CL/GEN/08 [n.d.]

147, Barnsbury Road, (formerly 11, Brunswick Terrace, White Conduit Fields). LCC/CL/GEN/08/C/83/26-35 1823-1916"

Julie

Thanks Julie, perhaps my delusions of grandeur were a bit too quick off the mark.

For all the lovely people who've helped me with this, I've added a picture of Robert Tait Daubeney onto the GR Facebook page - so you can see who you were looking for!

Some progress after 5 years!

I've found a Hackney workhouse admission for brothers Fred (born c1864), Robert (born c1866) and Ernest (born c1868) Daubeney.

They were admitted October 1878, children of Fred, a captain. Reason for admission was destitute - mother dead.

Now, it looks to me that written next to their names is "Alias Hughes" - at first I thought it said Alice Hughes but now I'm sure it's Alias.

For anyone who has access to Ancestry here's a link
http://goo.gl/9CZrzD

For those who can't access Ancestry here's a link to an extract that shows what I think is Alias
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/20761105

Would welcome second opinions.

It's looking likely that the birth for Giles Frederick is indeed his brother.

I do believe it says 'alias' MC.

Dea x