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(notes that address, 1891, Spring Grove, on other 'Thread', same as given for below Marriage, London, Ancestry)

Henry Charles Daubeney
Hackney 17 Dec 1859 Hennrietta Anne Jacomb


(there in 1861 H C B Darbeney Head Married Male 50 1811 Col In Army On Half Pay Yorkshire, England)

Chris :)

That is what I were talking about.

Maryb.

This is interesting:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1141548?jump=1141548

Mary - thank you!

My word, I think things are starting to click - it does make sense, doesn't it?

I've been called away to do stuff for a project but am going to make this a mission at the weekend.

1891 Fred S Daubeney 1823 Bath
Blanche wife nee Harwood
Robert T TAIT visitor born Scotland 1838 he married Harriett/Henrietta Young Harwood born Liverpool she was sister to Blanche above.

So is this the connection to your Robert Tait Daubeney 1865??

Harriett Tait nee Harwood died 1885 her parents were Robert and Harriett Harwood nee Young.

According to a tree on ancestry this Robert Thomas Tait from Scotland fathered illigitimate children to a Annie Taylor while married to Harriet.
Maybe it ran in the family.

Maryb.

1871 Isleworth Hounslow
3,Pownall Gardens
Edw Danbury (Daubeney) 1830 born Bath Somerset in Army
E wife 32 (Emily Carpenter) married 1864/5.
F Danbury cousin married 52 born Somerset.
This seems to be Frederick Sikes/Sykes as he is with Edward on Electoral Rolls.

He was married to Jane Olivia they (married in France 1844) at the time but I can't find her 1871!!

Maryb.

Saw the Frederick Sykes one, coming up newspapers...

Wondered if Fred was shortened from Frederick, hence little mark above on image.

Chris :)

edits (him below)

Baptism
County Somerset
Place Rode Hill
Church name Christ Church
Register type PR
Register entry number 1
Baptism date 02 Sep 1824
Person forename Fred Sikes
Person abode North Bradley
Father forename Henry
Father surname DAUBENY
Father occupation Army
Mother forename Elizabeth

http://www.freereg.org.uk/


Baptism
County Somerset
Place Rode Hill
Church name Christ Church
Register type PR
Register entry number 26
Baptism date 09 Jul 1826
Person forename Maria Barnston
Person sex F
Person abode North Bradley
Father forename Henry
Father surname DAUBENY
Father occupation Liett Coll in the Army
Mother forename Elizabeth


edits (Father Henry below, FS in it)

Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 (Ancestry)

Henry Daubeney 18 Jul 1853 Bath


(1851 at 8, Royal Crescent, Walcot, Bath, Somerset)


Marriages Mar 1868 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------------
DAUBENEY Elizabeth Sophia Brentford 3a 81
DAUBENEY Giles John Brentford 3a 81

(other Daughter, above in newspaper)


Henry Charles Barnston Daubeney

(other Son)


http://tinyurl.com/oq85aoo

I'm still trying to find Robert's birth but I reckon IF he was registered then it would have been as Hughes.

Giles Frederick was registered 1864 in Islington and I had thought this might be Ernest:

Births Jun 1868
HUGHES Ernest Islington 1b 340

... but there a a few contenders for him in the 1871 census. Might send for that certificate just to eliminate.

This is the closest I can find for Robert:

Births Jun 1865
Hughes Robert E. London 1C 11

I don't know enough about London reg. districts to know if that would be the right area. I'm also thinking that the father Frederick Daubeney was around to register Fred's birth (hence the dual surname) but if he was away then the mother mightn't have bothered registering them.

Have since found that the three boys were also registered in the workhouse October 1878 under the name Hughes alias Daubeney. The writing is a little clearer and father looks like Captain Fred S - I've contacted a few people on Ancestry who have Frederick Sykes Daubeney in their trees to see if they know his whereabouts in the 1860s, waiting to hear back. He doesn't appear to have had children with Jane Olivia Rippingille (his legal wife at the time).

Proves that ol' saying again!...'Never Give Up', something out there somewhere...

Good Find MC, did wonder if you ever got any further, one of those 'Thread' names that you don't forget, lol.

Chris :)

edits (haven't read all through again, summing up, anything on it you are looking for now then?)

Thanks Mary, I missed that one in my excitement at having found him with his brothers!

The October 1878 records says mother dead but the record 2 months later doesn't mention it. Perhaps it's because he was returning from Brentwood where he was sent two months earlier.

Robert 1866 in same Workhouse on his own.
admitted 5/12/1878 until 6/12/1878 again it says alias Hughes and looks like of Alice Hughes.

??from Brentwood to West Ham Union.

Maryb.

Thanks you both! That's what I thought Mary but the writing was a little unclear.

I too think it looks like Alias Hughes, surely they wouldn't write Alice Hughes at the side of all the names!!

Maryb.

I do believe it says 'alias' MC.

Dea x

Some progress after 5 years!

I've found a Hackney workhouse admission for brothers Fred (born c1864), Robert (born c1866) and Ernest (born c1868) Daubeney.

They were admitted October 1878, children of Fred, a captain. Reason for admission was destitute - mother dead.

Now, it looks to me that written next to their names is "Alias Hughes" - at first I thought it said Alice Hughes but now I'm sure it's Alias.

For anyone who has access to Ancestry here's a link
http://goo.gl/9CZrzD

For those who can't access Ancestry here's a link to an extract that shows what I think is Alias
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/20761105

Would welcome second opinions.

It's looking likely that the birth for Giles Frederick is indeed his brother.

Thanks Julie, perhaps my delusions of grandeur were a bit too quick off the mark.

For all the lovely people who've helped me with this, I've added a picture of Robert Tait Daubeney onto the GR Facebook page - so you can see who you were looking for!

It shows the change in occupants too as Miss Barrow wasn't there in 1861. British History on Line suggests that the Terraced Houses around Barnsbury did eventually become houses of multiple occupancy and not as desirable as when they were first built. No firm dates are given though.

A record entry at The National Archives suggests Brunswick Terrace was swallowed up by Barnsbury Road.

"Access to Archives

London Metropolitan Archives

LONDON COUNTY COUNCIL
COUNCIL DEEDS LCC/CL/GEN/08 [n.d.]

147, Barnsbury Road, (formerly 11, Brunswick Terrace, White Conduit Fields). LCC/CL/GEN/08/C/83/26-35 1823-1916"

Julie

Thanks so much for that Julie.

Those frocks are to die for! Just what I need for the Christmas works do. I love looking at photos like that - it's around the time my house was built and it gives an idea of what the then inhabitants would have been like.

That letter is really interesting too, apart from the fact it's from Dickens it gives an insight into the social standing of the occupants. Given that Frederick Daubeny was a gentleman and Miss Barrows was a relative of Dickens, I don't think it was the roughest end of town!

Haven't found anything else significant yet.
There appears to be a Lower, Middle and Upper Brunswick Terrace in 1861 but only Lower and Upper have No11. This family is at 11 Upper BT:

Sarah M Cox 54
Jane L Cox 23
William J Cox 17
Emily Cox 15
Robert Jieldwick 42

And just for interests sake & historical context...........

Found a letter from Charles Dickens dated 1862 to a Miss Barrow at 11 Brunswick Terrace - haven't much of a clue what he's on about!

But try as I might I cannot paste a link to it - try googling this:

Letters: 1862-1864 By Charles Dickens - then use the search box for the book and put in Miss Barrow.

Oh and some photos of posh ladies in frocks - well she may have looked like this depending on her financial circumstances.................

www.cartes.freeuk.com/dec/dated.htm

Julie

MC -- when you're looking at an individual census record, over in the links on the left-hand side is "Add alternate information". Click there and you get a form for correcting. Ancestry doesn't review what's added, it just incorporates it in the database, where it is then searchable after a few days. I always explain the source of the info (sometimes it's just a correct reading of the image), and my connection with the person, and include an "at gmail dot com" email address where I can be contacted permanently.

I've had a couple of excellent contacts through Ancestry because of things I fixed. One involved adding a letter to a grx3 grmother's middle name. That netted me a cousin with whom I share a grx4 grmother (different husbands), who lives in the place in question and had loads of research to share. Another found a grx2 grddaughter of my gr-grfather's sister (a lot of generational shift there, she's older than me and generation of my pre-teen nieces!), who had never known her ancestor's name. Emma Hill (the sister of old weird Ernest Hill/Monck the unacknowledged descendant of the Viscount line) ... who she had always been told was a Miss Montmorency from France. ;) So who knows, you might someday get an email from someone with proof of the whole Daubeney deal ... or someone even more clueless than you! I stick notes on absolutely everybody I run across at Ancestry, just in case.

Ah, the down for maintenance message again ...