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Evening John....Yes that was the case..re Patrick and Brid. but there appears to be no other Patrick Healey with son a John (1878) in any of the Durham Mining villages at the time....
What I find curious is why John went to the Yorkshire area...Unusual for a miner to move Collieries let alone areas...

Hi John,

living 'down under' makes me a little late in getting back to you.

Glad you came on board

Gael

Hi John,

Have we established that John was born in Durham or could he have been born in Ireland?

Gael

Morning Gael..As I have said I cannot find a John born abt 1876 to a Patrick in the Durham/Northumberland/Yorks area other than the one we have been tracking which is not the correct one...
Have tried every permutaion of the Surname (Also played around with Christian names)...The next step is a search of the Census 1891/1901/1911 but my ability to search is limited as I dont have access.
Am hoping "John" has some address/Church details from the MC of John and Josephina which may help locate something ....
Am after searching through the "Hooley" Surname at the moment see if that reveals anything...

Hi John

Is that your tree on Ancestry? If so, I see you have John Healey born 1876 in Ireland?? Is that birthplace confirmed?

NinjaLady...
Please dont tell me I have been after searching for days in the Coalfields and he may just have been in the Green Fields of Ireland...!!

Hi Erin

Message from John - he's not sure one way or another about Ireland unfortunately.

I can't see any likely candidates on the 1881, 1891, 1901 or 1911 census for a John Healey born 1876 with the father Patrick.

I'll have another look, just in case I missed something. I'll also have a look at military records to see if something comes up there.

Possible for 1911???

Person: HEALY, John
Institution: No 63 Company Royal Garrison Artillery, NO 63 COMPANY ROYAL GARRISON ARTILLERY, FORT SAINT ELMO, VALLETTA, MALTA
Military details: Sergeant 63 Company R G A

HEALY, John Married ? 34 1877 Co Mayo Charlestown VIEW

Registration District:
Sub District:
Enumeration District:
25 Parish:


Address:
Fort St Elmo Valletta Malta County:
Overseas military


or


Person: HEALY, John
Institution: 1st Bn The Royal Irish Regt, 1ST BATTALION ROYAL IRISH REGIMENT, AGRA, UNITED PROVINCES, INDIA
Military details: Private 1st Bn The Royal Irish

HEALY, John 24 ? Thomastown Kilkenny VIEW

Registration District:
Sub District:
Enumeration District:
14 Parish:


Address:
Agra United Provinces India


Possibly not the second one as the age is possibly 24.


John

Was John Healey a batchelor when he married Josephina? Could you possibly post all the details from the marriage certificate, including names of witnesses, to see if we can get anything more from that source.

NinjaLady....
Have had the same message from himself so I have...and asked for the same info.as you....
Despite what the MC says regarding his age at marriage I wonder why a man of his age wasn't married earlier...Most unusual... women yes but not the men especially a Pitman...mmmm.

Just in case I've been blinkered by the Co Durham links.......

Could this be a possible 1891 for John Healey??

1891 England Census
about John Healey
Name: John Healey
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Patrick
Mother's Name: Bridget
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Padiham
Ecclesiastical parish: Padiham
Town: Padiham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: Padiham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Patrick Healey 51 ...general labourer...born Ireland
Bridget Healey 51 ....born Ireland
James Healey 27 ...born Liverpool
Henry Healey 17....born Barrow in Furness
John Healey 14 ....born Liverpool

All three boys are General Labourers.

Erin & NinjaLady,

I can send you an email of my grandparents marriage cert. & my fathers birth cert. and you can glean the information regarding witnesses etc;. But you will have to give me your email addresses. Also I have contacted the church (on the marriage cert.). The church still exists but has changed from RC to CofE. I also wrote to the RC priest who resides at the successor church but he has not been very helpful!.

What I should like to do is check the census for 1921, which I know I can't do online. To confirm my grandfathers age to see whether there was a mistake on the marriage cert. Excuse my ignorance but is there anywhere I can (public records office) to find that information.

Thanks for your continuing good works. I am most impressed.

John

Is this in John in 1911?
Very Close to the place he married.

51 Liddle Street Cornsay Colliery Court Durham

Reg. District: Lanchester Sub District: Lanchester
Parish: Cornsay Enum. District: 2

Address: 51 Liddle Street Cornsay Colliery Court Durham
County: Durham


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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HINDS, Patrick Head Married M 63 1848 Coal Miner Hewer Wingate Durham

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HINDS, Mary Ann Wife Married F 64 1847 Scotland

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HEALY, John Boarder Single M 38 1873 Coal Miner Hewer Ireland

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COULSON, John Boarder Single M 29 1882 Bricklayer Labourer Durham

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BIRD, Thomas Lodger Widower M 49 1862 Shoemaker Baker Couty Northumberland

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Alison

A possible birth ???

Name: John Healey
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place: ASHFORD, WICK, IRE
Birth Date: 02 Feb 1874
Birthplace: Ashford, Wick, Ire
Father's Name: Patrick Healey
Mother's Name: Catherine Doyle

Wicklow is a mining area

Just throwing ideas around. Father could have married again to Bridget after Catherine and wouldn't show up on Census.

However, I've found another six probables in Ireland with parents Patrick and Bridget - see http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home

Alison,

I am intrigued by your finding John Healy in Cornsay (census 1911), given the close proximity to where my grandparents were married. It shows him as 38? which means he would have been 44/45 at time of marriage which is shown as 42 on the MC! Not really surprising, as he would have been marrying a young lady of 21. If he was nearer 44/45 it may explain why we have had problems finding his birth! That he was listed as Healy would also not be very surprising, as a boarder he would have been unlikely to have filled in his own details. I think you may have found something.
I have tried sending you my Gparents MC, my fathers BC, and correspondence with the successor church where my Gparents got married through Genesreunited. Have you received them.

Does anyone else want these, please furnish an email.

most grateful for yours efforts

John

Hi John,

Yes I googled to see where he was staying in 1911 to where your Grandfather was born.

Have pm'd my email.

Alison

Eringobragh! Re: Wicklow

Hi Christine, Well it's a bit of a story, but it may prove fruitful. It immediately relates to the last posting by Gael (ffrom Down Under) she found a reference to people in Ashford, Wicklow Ireland? I had an genealogical search, purchased at great expense; which has since disappeared into the ether after a clear up. It proved quite difficult, but the one family it did come up with were the Healeys of Rathnew, Co Wicklow. There was no corroborating evidence, but Gaels assertion that it was an mining area rekindled my interest. I also found that Rathnew is in Ashford!
Looking on family search I found 2 (conflicting) references.

Ist Family
Patrick Healey (father) Catherine Doyle (mother) John b. 02/02/1874 Ashford, Wicklow, Ireland.

2nd Family
Patrick Healey (father) Catherine Healey Doyle (mother) John b. 19/12/1876, Wicklow, Ireland.

I thought they may be the same family with the John born 1874 dying, which I think is extremely unlikely thinking about it. And I could'nt find any reference to a death. I really don't know how to go from here, research skills being in their infancy. But I thought I might raise another thread to see if anything comes up in wicklow itself!

John

I think that what has shown up through Gael (from down Under) as to where John started (1874 or 1876) Wicklow, Ireland and from Alison in the reference to Cornsay, Durham, England in 1911 are useful avenues of research! Any further developments will be gratefully received from you all!

John

Well! It all seems to have gone a bit quiet. If you are all away helping others, I do understand.

But I must genuinely thank you ALL for your very helpful submissions. I shall endeavour to chase up the many avenues of research; you have opened up for me!

John

Evening John...Was just wondering how you were getting on...Do you have John's death details from Doncaster..?