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i have mark smith on the census with his wife hannah and their family says he was born birmingham 1853 on his son samuels birth certificate his name is mark thomas henry smith i sent for what i thought was his birthcertificate 6d 139 sept 1852 but its not him and i cant find anotherfor him would any one please help thanks everso much

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1891 census transcription details for: 1 Back 181, Scholefield Street, Nechells, Birmingham

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 2420 Folio: 83 Page: 13


Reg. District: Aston Sub District: Duddeston
Parish: Nechells Enum. District: 32
Ecclesiastical District: St Matthew City/Municipal Borough: Birmingham

Address: 1 Back 181, Scholefield Street, Nechells, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire


Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born

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SMITH, Mark Head Married M 38 1853 General Labourer
Birmingham

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SMITH, Hannah Wife Married F 38 1853
Coventry
Warwickshire

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SMITH, Samuel Son Single M 12 1879 Scholar
Birmingham

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SMITH, Polly Daughter Single F 10 1881 Scholar
Birmingham

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SMITH, George Son Single M 8 1883 Scholar
Birmingham

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SMITH, Alma Daughter Single F 0 (6M) 1891
Birmingham

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1881 census transcription details for: 26, Ct 8 Heneage St, Aston

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 3031 Folio: 91 Page: 10


Reg. District: Aston Sub District: Duddeston
Parish: Aston Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 26, Ct 8 Heneage St, Aston
County: Warwickshire


Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born

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SMITH, Mark Head Married M 29 1852 Genl Lab
Aston
Warwickshire

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SMITH, Hannah Wife Married F 30 1851
Coventry
Warwickshire

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SMITH, Samuel Son Single M 3 1878
Aston
Warwickshire

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SMITH, Louisa M Daughter Single F 0 1881
Aston
Warwickshire

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Do you have his marriage cert for his fathers name?




Maybe?

Marriages Dec 1875
COOPER Charles James Aston 6d 700
DEVEY Hannah Maria Aston 6d 700
SMITH Mark Aston 6d 700
Wakeman Hannah Maria Aston 6d 700

yes barbara thats them then hes missing on the 1901 but hes back on the 1911

thanks fanny i couldnt find that either as sams mother s name is hannahsmith late wakeman formally etchells

Then that is the correct marriage ref in 1875 with Wakeman as she would have married the second time in her first married name.

Her first marriage.

Marriages Dec 1873
Etchells Ann Maria Birmingham 6d 174
Ethcells Ann Maria Birmingham 6d 174
Wakeman Albert Birmingham 6d 174


Alberts death.

Deaths Mar 1874
Wakeman Albert 20 King's N. 6c 287


My,she didnt hang about before remarrying..

Wife and kids 1901

1901 census transcription details for: 184, Newhall Street, Birmingham

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 2846 Folio: 120 Page: 32


Reg. District: Birmingham Sub District: All Saints
Parish: Birmingham Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District: Saint Pauls City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 184, Newhall Street, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire


Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born

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SMITH, Hannah Head Married F 49 1852 Shopkeeper Bookshop
Coventry
Warwickshire

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SMITH, Samuel Son Single M 29 1872 By Cycle Finisher
Birmingham
Warwickshire

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SMITH, Lauria M Daughter Single F 20 1881 Jewellers Stud Maker
Birmingham
Warwickshire

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SMITH, George Son Single M 18 1883 Bicycle Finisher
Birmingham
Warwickshire

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SMITH, Alma H Daughter Single M 10 1891
Birmingham
Warwickshire

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There are a couple of later birth - perhaps he said he was older as Hannah may have been older.

i wll send for that now thank you have you any you any ideas about marks birth

Births Mar 1855 (>99%)
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Smith Mark Birmingham 6d 129

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Births Jun 1855 (>99%)
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Smith Mark Birmingham 6d 211

do you mean 1855 barbara

you work quicker than i can type thanks

Only to get his marriage cert for fathers name to try and track him back to get a more accurate year and place of birth.

His middle names could have been added at baptism,or he just fancied them.

this is all new to me thank you for finding it for me fanny ill work on it all x zena

thanks to you both i think i pressed delete by mistake zena

fanny you were right his certificate just come.from the marriage certificate his father is called thomas not mark as i though it also matches a birth certificate i sent for and thought was the wrong one hopefully you'll read this regards zena

Nice to know we lot can get some things right Zena.

Thanks for letting us know.

If you need more help on this line just pop a message on here and I am sure one of us will try to help.

hi whilst your there thought you like to know hannahs first husband died of smallpox in the workhouse thanks again for all your help it is appriciated x zena

hi all can some one please check i have the right marriage for marks parents i have found mary hall john smith stokesey 24 541 dec 1837.
but she comes from fazeley staffs and he comes from milbourne derbyshire. just want to be sure i havnt missed a nearer match this seems along way from home especially when the settle in birmingham thanks zena