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You said that Marks father was called Thomas on his marriage cert,not John.

Can you give the 1861 census that you have him on with parents please?

And the details from his birth cert?

sorry fanny i got mixed up with my smiths and lewises his name is john a cordwiner or shoe maker . ithink he was born 1815

1861 then.


SMITH, John Head Married M 46 1815 Cordwainer
Melbourne
Derbyshire
SMITH, Mary Wife Married F 44 1817
Fazeley
Warwickshire
SMITH, Emma Daughter F 11 1850
Birmingham
Warwickshire
SMITH, Mark Son M 8 1853
Birmingham
Warwickshire
SMITH, Fanny Daughter F 5 1856
Birmingham
Warwickshire
SMITH, Sarah Ann Daughter F 0 (10M) 1861
Birmingham
Warwickshire
RG number:
RG09 Piece:
2146 Folio:
87 Page:
25

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
4 St Peter Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Bishop Ryder

Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
32, Vauxhall Street, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

yes thats them i think

ihave them on the 51 aswell with a george and a hannah

1851...There is a large gap between the children,some may have died but it could also mean a remarriage for John or Mary?

What does it give for Marks mothers name on his birth cert?

SMITH, John Head Married M 36 1815 Shoe Maker
Milbourne
Derbyshire
SMITH, Mary Wife Married F 34 1817
Fazeley
Staffordshire
SMITH, George Son Unmarried M 13 1838 Shoe Maker
Birmingham
SMITH, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 3 1848
Birmingham
SMITH, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 1 1850
Birmingham
RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2057 Folio:
590 Page:
40

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
Saint Marys Enumeration District:
23 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Bishop Ryder

Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
17, Court 3 House, Aston Street, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

I do this so I can see the details in front of me...I am sure you have it already,but it makes it easier to work on..

mary smith formally hall

the address is also the same on the 51 census as on his birth cert

There is this marriage in Birmingham.

After Hannah and Emmas birth its true,but one to bear in mind I think..

Marriages Dec 1851
Smith John Birmingham 16 499

Or one in Staffs just before the birth of George on 1851.

Marriages Sep 1847
Smith John Stafford 17 147

The Staffs one is the one I would go for first as it is in the area that Mary was from.

Why did you have to have Smith ancestors ?????

so do you think i should go for that rather than the yorkshire one ????. have to say now you said it i did think was a big gap myself

Zena,sorry .
I have edited my last post on page 2,please check out the other marriage I have added..
Sorry.

Yorkshire seems too far out to me and they would have been very young in 1837...

Gotta go.
Check back later...
Fan

dads moms dad is samuel smith he was marks son he married alice townsend they had ruth who married william lewis who had dad, louis smith lewis who had me zena lewis potted history thanks again for your help zenaxxxxxx
p.s. dads dads step mom is supposed to be related to Thomas Guy but thats another search xxxxxxxxxxx

hi again please could anyone tell me how i track mark and hannah after the 1911 census i have sent for death certificates for who i thought were them but there not
sent for mark 6d 222 b,ham 1916
and hannah 6d 206 b,ham 1916 thanks zena

This one matches Hannahs birth year.

Name: Hannah Smith
Death Registration Month/Year: 1921
Age at death (estimated): 70
Registration district: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 436

thanks fanny ill try that one x

I am unable to find anything suitable for Mark in Warwickshire.,sorry...

that was why i asked how to track them after 1911 would it be by the electoral roll

To do that you would have to know the Address they lived at,that Mark was on the electoral roll and go to the local library of the address to look it up (I think)

You can try at the 1911 address

Address:
231 Great Russell St Birmingham

But of course they may have moved.

The death cert in Aston may be Hannah and give some clues as to where they moved to or if she died while away from home it would have her home address as well.

brill thanks p.s. are you a smith

No thank Evans.
I am from a slightly easier name,but not by much.

Wood.

Try finding that name in London..