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- wow this is muddling
- but fascinating
- I'll read it fresh tomorrow when I've a clearer head!

thanks for your work ann

ivy
this family of mine will draw you in,then frustrate you,&eventualy drive you mad,you cannot leave it alone once you start

We think May Jones mmn Cropper b1899 in Oldham was the first child. The second child Florence b1900 in Crewe. I posted poss birth/census details on pg 26 including the possibility that May died in Crewe.

Julie.

yes Ivy - to get a handle on it you'll probably need to read the whole thing through..................I have to keep going back to various bits!

Julie

Martyn forgot to say - if you google Greenacres Cemetery there are some online records for all the Oldham cemeteries- mainly 20th&21st century but a smattering of 19th century records. Couldn't see any of your Jones family but you might have better luck. It's not clear how far they have got with the transcribing but there are some contact details.

Julie

If you right click on this link (highlight it in blue first)and click on google search it should take you to it

http://www.oldham.gov.uk/living/births_deaths_marriages_citizenship_children/bereavement-services.htm

Hi,sorry didn't get on line last night to join in the search!!
do you think its more certs needed!!!
i.e 2 possible death's
John E Jones and Elizabeth H Jones 1927??
posted before
?? sameqter/ page ?could they have had an accident?
Name: Elizabeth H Jones
Death Registration Month/Year: 1927 june qtr
Age at death (estimated): 55
Registration district: Oldham
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 840



John E Jones
Death Registration Month/Year: 1927 june qtr
Age at death (estimated): 53
Registration district: Oldham
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 840

the 1911 Cropper family then in 1871
Name: Elizabeth Cropper
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edmund
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wardleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Rochdale
County/Island: Lancashire

Household Members:
Name Age
Edmund Cropper 42
Mary Cropper 41
Richard Cropper 15
Jane Cropper 12
Samuel Cropper 6
Benjamin Cropper 5
Elizabeth Cropper 2
only birth with both names about then
Births Mar 1869
CROPPER Elizabeth Hannah Oldham 8d 649

hi everyone
just ordered both certs,hi jan wondered were you had got to.


this family is is playing havoc with my imagination,don't know about you.

More certs, the wait starts again lets hope they find a faster carrying pigeon this time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or seagull as you live near the coast

yes jan tomorrow would be nice(only joking).
been looking through it again,the 1911 census,the thomas on there i think is john's brother,right birth year,been looking for john's birth,on the census81/91 she says he was born in crewe,i cannot find him,he alway's said he was born in wales.cannot believe what his mum says ,she reckons on census91 thomas age 14 is the manager of the mill i don't think so do you .john or john edward would have been born 1874/75 on count back from his death, there are millions in wales.

Hi these are what gene posted on page 19
Hi Jan,

1881 census oldham:
Ann Jones charwoman Wid aged 33 born wales
John Jones U aged 5 born crewe cheshire
John Booth Lodger aged 44 born Oldham *** looking i see on image he is an iron moulder which is interesting**

1891 census oldham:
Ann Jones charwoman aged 46 born Wrexham
John E Jones 16 born cheshire crewe
Thomas Jones 4 born Oldham

1901 census oldham:
Ann Jones Charwoman aged 51 born caernarvon
Thomas Jones aged 14 born oldham

Ann's maiden name was Davies as I have Thomas' birth certificate who was born in 1887.

hi jan
i must have seen it on genes censusfor 1901 will look in a min.

julie have looked at cemetry site&just put jones in could not find john but got elizabeth hannah 19-5-1927 in royton.

put in dates 1902-1933

just looked 1901 census .,ann b 1850 canaervon ,
27 bow st oldham,charwoman,
thomas 14 cotton mill manager

along shot could Ann have had him before she married
this one could have been born late 1875 is that to late?

Name: John Edward Davies
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Chester*****district for Crewe
County: Cheshire, Flintshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 401

I wondered that too Jan, especially when I couldn't find a marriage for Ann Davies & Owen Jones in the right time frame. Big gap in potential marriages between 1871 & 1886 on FreeBMD.

If you look on Cheshire bmd I think that John Edward Davies was born Tattenhall rather than Crewe but it's not too far away.

Well done for finding Elizabeth Hannah Martyn - I didn't see that one.

Julie

ann was a bit of a girl,widow in 81,thomas age 4 in 91,wonder if the lodger booth was the dad.

gene told ann died in 1905 in the poor house&is buried in a paupers grave in chadderton cemetry

think i missed something ,how do we know Ann married Owen

if i remember right gene has a cert for something cannot remember what as there is a issue with first name owen but also on a cert howard?
sorry to be hazy but i cannot remember when gene gets back off hols i will get details of everything gene has collected

1871 can anyone see these in 1881 then
Name: Ann Jones
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Owen
Gender: Female
Where born: Caernarvon, Caernarfonshire, Wales
Civil parish: Coppenhall Monks
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Crewe
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England



Name: Owen Jones
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Caernarvon, Caernarfonshire, Wales
Civil parish: Coppenhall Monks
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Crewe
County/Island: Cheshire



Household Members:
Name Age
Owen Jones 39
Ann Jones 28
John Jones 12
David Jones 8
Dorathea Jones 4
Mary E Jones 2
Lewis Roberts 24 boarder Where born: Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales