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Thank You so much for your help. No one here is intersted in family history and I feel a bit fed up sometimes trying to do it on my lonesome!

Your right about the Riley connection and thanks to your encouragment Ive found them on the 71 census 'Biley' of all mistrancscriptions!

When Susan died her sister Mary Riley took in James Flanagan

The grave info Dea I had found, but its nice to have it confirmed by someone else...thanks hun

Still cant find a Susan that fits for the 1871!

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Hi Ginny,

I wouldn't rule out that "Julia" on the 1871 is really " Susan" as both the persons on 1871 census were stated as born Cavin/Cavan Ireland.

The other John & Julia (1911 census) ( married 1875)are an entirely different couple as their ages are quite a bit younger and born in different location.. .

MB

Good grief....I think you may be right about the two 'Julia's'......progress, which is more than I’ve made in the last year or so

I thought it was odd that the children the father etc match and I can’t find a Susan on the 71 census

Next problem..........I rang work today and asked them to look at Catherine's marriage cert (John and Susan's daughter) She married in 1883 to Patrick Hanaghan and her dad (The pain in question - John Flanagan) is not listed as deceased and is a general labourer

The John with Julia on the 71 census is a salesman?

Oh dear, I'm beginning to feel very guilty about dragging you into this

Thanks for helping, I feel better that someone else has an angle on this debacle and there has been progress today.......yipee

Ginny
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What if you were to purchase Edwards birth certificate,................

Births Sep 1870
FLANNAGHAN Edward John Sheffield 9c 345

Wonder what name the mother would have, and also what the address was. Could it be the same as the 1871 census?

I think it is the same address. This info is from a relative....I need to email him again as he has the cert......

Thanks hun, you are reigniting my brain!

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Ginny, do you have Ancestry?

On the Public Members trees is one for your family and they are using the 1871 " Julia "Census for this family . They also have John Flanagan as death in 1908 Sheffield They also have some photos although not of John or Susan/Julia

According to this tree, Edward married Mary Hall 1876-1949 and I believe that a couple of the photos are of their children.

One of my cousins has a tree on Ancestry but he knows no more than me

Will take a looky now.......thanks hun

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Hang on, what should I type in to search the tree that you get?

I know my cousin (ish) has a tree, he's called valsean on there

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It is your cousins tree " Valsean" called Flanagans & Swallows

I typed in Susan Hartin 1839 Cavan Ireland
died 1891 Yorkshire
married 1861 Cavan Ireland
spouse John Flanagan

Interestingly, when Susan was on her own in 1881 with the children, the John Flanagan b1836 married to Sarah was away from his wife visiting elsewhere.

1881 census transcription details for: 4, Ct 1, Sheffield
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 4644 Folio: 157 Page: 18

Reg. District: Sheffield Sub District: North Sheffield
Parish: Sheffield Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, Ct 1, Sheffield
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
MALLOY, Prudence Head Widow F 49 1832 Housekeeper (Dom Lodging)
Ireland
MALLOY, Winnifred Daughter Single F 21 1860 Spoon Boofer
Sheffd
Yorkshire
SUCKLEY, Bridget Lodger Single F 60 1821
Ireland
FLANINGAN, John Visitor Married M 45 1836 Saw Smith
Ireland


He got around!!............................

1881 census transcription details for: 5, Greaves Street, Nether Hallam
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 4625 Folio: 46 Page: 29

Reg. District: Ecclesall Bierlow Sub District: Nether Hallam
Parish: Nether Hallam Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 5, Greaves Street, Nether Hallam
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
HENRY, John Head Married M 66 1815 Mason
Edmunds Town
Ireland
HENRY, Phoebe Wife Married F 73 1808 Midwife
Sheffield
Yorkshire
FLANNAGAN, John Boarder Married M 45 1836 Sawmaker
Ireland
FLANNAGAN, Sarah Boarder Married F 35 1846
Ireland
FLANNAGAN, Mary Boarder Single F 18 1863 Servant (Dom)
Sheffield
Yorkshire
FLANNAGAN, Eliza Boarder Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Sheffield
Yorkshire

Second thoughts.................
Do you think that these are the same man? Could one be your absent John on 1881 census?

Got to go for now but will look in again tomorrow after work.

night,
MB

I need to re-group on this.....

Thank you hun

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This has got to be him on 1881 with daughter Catherine. She's not with Susan and her siblings

1881 England Census
about John Flanagan
Name: John Flanagan
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Brother (Head) (Head)
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Brightside Bierlow
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: Carlisle St 171
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Labourer (General)

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Brightside
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Flanagan 52
Catherine Flanagan 10
Wieny Callagan 24



Head of the house is;

Catherine Daley (Wid) 46
James son 26<<<Bilton?
Patrick son 17
Peter son 14
Michael son 8<<Sheffield




On the actual census it says John is a 'boarder' but the transcription says brother to the head? If this is correct then Catherine Daley is Johns sister

Im going to see if I can find John on 91 census with this family!

Ginny

Wasn't Catherine 8 on 1871? - She should be 18 'ish on here not 10 ??

I don't think this is fitting together.

Dea x

Thanks Dea.......a good point re Catherine

I just thought the enumerator had wrote it down wrong as I cant see another Catherine in the 1881

She Married in 1883 so would still have had her maiden name

Ginny
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Will pick it up again in the morning!

Dea Xxx

I'm back!

My cousin has recieved the birth cert for Edward Flanagan 16th July 1870 Sheffield

Parents;

John Flanagan<<<Occ Plasterers labourer
Susan Flanagan nee Hartin or Harten

Address;

48 Bates Sq Hollis Croft Sheffield

Heres the couple on the 71 census, same address and I know Catherine was the aboves daughter


1871 England Census
about John Flanagan
Name: John Flanagan
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
[1835]
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Julia
Gender: Male
Where born: Cavin, Ireland
Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Holliscroft
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 109
Household Members: Name Age
John Flanagan 35 <<<<<<<<Salesman!
Julia Flanagan 33
Catherine Flanagan 8
Edward Flanagan 10 months
Elizabeth Cosgrove 30
Ellen Cosgrove 12
Daniel Cosgrove 5
Edward Gwin 42
Mary Gwin 34
Maria Gwin 10
John F Gwin 3




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4682; Folio: 60; Page: 23; GSU roll: 847231.


Could her name have been mis-heard?

Any opinions VERY welcome

thanks

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Hi Ginny,

I don't know about misheard but my grandfathers 1st wife was just Anna but on the different census' she became Anna Rose, Rose, and lastly Gertrude before being known as Anna again..

Do you have this death certificate among all the others for John Flanagan?


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about John Flanagan
Name: John Flanagan
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 72
District: Sheffield
County: South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 377

I think I do have this and this is the one I think most likely to be him....general labourer

It's at work, but I'm sure I have that one

Thanks for your opinion, you can make what you want of the info when it's your family!!

Good to get an objective view

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