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Hi Eileen,

Yes I am still out here treading the GR boards (lol). You are correct, it is nice to learn that the help that one has given has been of some assistance. It is just a pity that Edith Hewitt is proving so elusive.

Your father was born in late 1914. Taking a broad view, Edith, unmarried but capable of child bearing would most probably have been between the ages of 15 and 35 when she conceived your father, probably towards the earlier end of that age range. If that was the case then she would most probably have been born 1879~1899.

Bearing those facts in mind there were a total of 22 Edith Hewitts within that age range recorded as residing in Lancashire at the time of the 1911 census. Regretably there was not one shown to be in the Prescot registration district and only one in the Warrington registration district. That one was living with her parents (No siblings showing) in Earlestown. Her parents state that they had been married for 17 years so I checked for their possible marriage just to see whether the wife might have been a Smart or a Skerry but no luck I'm afraid.

Although the parish records that you have been advised to check (Presumably for a baptism of your father) might reveal something I have my doubts that these would show an absent fathers name.

Even if she did not raise her son herself, trusting the Skerry family to undertake that task for her there may have been some financial arrangement between herself and the Skerry's. Another avenue that might be worth pursuing therefore would be to see whether your fathers mother sought an Order of Affiliation (Bastardy Bond) in order to get the childs father to contribute towards his sons upkeep. If a record does exist, if anywhere, it is likely to be in the petty court records for the district probably now stored at the local archive office.

Good luck with your continuing quest.

Thanks Jonesey for your patience
I am still on the quest, if anyone has the time to help out with any of the following I would be most grateful

I have a marriage Dec 1882 between John Smart DOB 1860 and Ellen Hewitt DOB 1861 reg. in St Helens there is an address 41 Hanover St. St Helens. I need to establish Ellen's background because I think she is the only link to Edith(my fathers birth mother)

I am also looking for Mary Smart (age 46).
I know she was on the 1881 census in Glasgow with her children but no husband? is she widowed?
As you can see one year later 1882 John Smart marries Ellen Hewitt in St Helens This is the only thing I can find with regard to a Hewitt Any help from all you very clever people would be much appreciated, with regards Eileen

1891 Smart / Hewitt family

Name: Ellen Swart
[Ellen Smart]
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Eccleston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: St Helens
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Swart 31
Ellen Swart 30
Margaret Swart 8
Thomas Swart 4
James Swart 2
Nellie Swart 5/12


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3022; Folio 17; Page 28; GSU roll: 6098132.


Correction detail added

Smart rather than Swart
Transcription error
Submitted by Jimsson12 on 27/07/2007

Wonder if this is Ellen before her marriage??

1881

Name: Ellen Hewitt
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Step Daughter
Mother's Name: Margt.
Gender: Female
Where born: Windle, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Eccleston in Prescot
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 49 Lyon Street
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: House Servant Domestic

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thos. Ashall 56
Margt. Ashall 58
Jno. Hewitt 22
Ellen Hewitt 20


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3734; Folio: 115; Page: 24; GSU roll: 1341894.


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%)
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Ashall Thomas Prescot 8b 699
Hewitt Margaret Prescott 8b 699


1871

Name: Ellen Hewitt
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Gender: Female
Where born: Windle, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Eccleston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 310
Household Members: Name Age
Thos Ashall 42
Margt Ashall 48
Willm Ashall 20
Robert Ashall 16
Annie Hewitt 16
John Hewitt 12
Ellen Hewitt 10

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3864; Folio: 67; Page: 72; GSU roll: 841936.

1901

Name: John Smart
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Warrington, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: St Helen
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul and St Thomas
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 142
Household Members: Name Age
John Smart 41
Ellen Smart 40
Margaret Smart 18
Thomas Smart 14
James Smart 12
Nellie Smart 10
John Smart 8
Dora Smart 4


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3522; Folio: 86; Page: 26.

Still can't find an Edith there!

Thanks routgatherer
Edith is a little minx lol
The only Edith Hewitt I have found in all my searches is a death recorded in St Helens 18-02-1943(86870) buried in St Helens Cemetary, which would mean she never married
I suppose the only way to check is to get her death cert.?
to see who registered the death.
The other thing that is a puzzle we have never known my fathers birth father, however I have traced on the 1891 census the smart family and along with the family members is a Robert Wilkinson age 18 who could he be?
Is there anyway of finding out his occupation. The family story is that the birth father was a "theatrical" what a mix up. Anyhow thanks for all your help. I will plod on

Hi,Robert wilkinson was a sheet glass blower on 1891 census with the Smart family.

Maryb

Hi Mary thanks for that- Sheet glass blower, not quite a "theatrical" then- I know Ime grasping at straws and we may never know my fathers,father, But with a name like Aubrey, it does sound very theatrical dont you think!! I often wonder if he was christened after his father(an act of defiance) by Edith. I am now back as far as 1821 with a marriage between John Hewitt and Margaret? Then we have Margaret now Hewitt being married to Thomas Ashall- 1869 I think they are both second marriages, but still no Edith Hewitt the little minx. thanks and regards Eileen

Its me again folks- I am now wondering if Ellen Hewitts brother John Hewitt dob 1859 got married and produced a child called Edith- cos I cannot find Ellen with a sister called Edith-is Edith her niece? John is on the 1881 census in windle st helens lancs along with Ellen and the rest of the family. Help would be appreciated( Edith is driving me mad!!!)
Thanks Eileen

Hi all
At last I have found an Edith Hewitt (32)she is on the 1901 census along with her husband Arthur E Hewitt(33) They have a son Arthur(5) they live at 77 Ashbourn Road Liverpool-Husband is a Superintendant Sewing Mechanic and he is an Employer. Could this be my Edith. Mother to Aubrey ? cos she would be 47 when she gave birth!!! or did they have a daughter Edith who is my dads birth mother. Can I beg some help= did they have other children-when did they marry and where-what was Ediths
maiden name. I suppose Edith could have had an affair, and my dad Aubrey could be the result. Any help would be great thanks
Amended (wrong Edith )

For ref. 1901 Census

Name: Edith Hewitt
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Arthur E
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 159
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur E Hewitt 33
Edith Hewitt 32
Arthur Q Hewitt 5


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3433; Folio: 58; Page: 24.



Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1893 (>99%)
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Hewitt Arthur Ernest Birkenhead 8a 741
Mackintosh Edith Mary Birkenhead 8a 741

1891

Name: Arthur E Hewitt
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwin L
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Tranmere
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Tranmere
ED, institution, or vessel: 10a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin L Hewitt 53
Elizabeth Hewitt 53
Arthur E Hewitt 23
Harold Hewitt 7
Elizabeth Russell 17

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2889; Folio 97; Page 13; GSU roll: 6097999.


1881 - Arthur has a sister called Edith and a brother John!

Name: Arthur E. Hewitt
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwin L.
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Tranmere
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: 83 Brougham St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Tranmere
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin L. Hewitt 41
Elizabeth Hewitt 41
Edith E. Hewitt 20
Annie L. Hewitt 18
John E. Hewitt 14
Arthur E. Hewitt 13


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3585; Folio: 64; Page: 11; GSU roll: 1341858.


1901

Name: John E Hewitt
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: Tranmere St Catherine
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Tranmere
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 56
Household Members: Name Age
John E Hewitt 35
Annie Hewitt 34
Frank E Hewitt 11

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3396; Folio: 175; Page: 9.

1891

Name: John E Hewitt
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Tranmere
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Tranmere
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John E Hewitt 24
Annie Hewitt 23
Frank E Hewitt 1

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2888; Folio 16; Page 26; GSU roll: 6097998.

So doesn't look like they had a daughter Edith.


1911

HOUSEHOLD HEWITT JOHN E M 1867 44 Birkenhead Cheshire
HOUSEHOLD HEWITT ANNIE F 1867 44 Birkenhead Cheshire
HOUSEHOLD HEWITT FRANK E M 1890 21 Birkenhead Cheshire


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
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Hewitt John Edwin Birkenhead 8a 756
WILLIAMS Annie Birkenhead 8a 756

Hi Rootfinder, thank you once more for your efforts. Lots of info to look through. I wonder if Edith is Arthurs child. Off I go again!!!
Regards Eileen

Here I am again. Rootfinder- Did Ellen Hewitt give birth to Edith in 1881 when she was 20 years old and single, (so I presume Edith is recorded as Edith Hewitt) she then goes on to marry John Smart in 1882 there is an address of 41 Hanover Street St Helens Lancs.. Edith doesnt marry, but gives birth to my Dad Aubrey in oct. 1914 when she is 33 years old. !!!!!
This would seem logical. I have found a death for an Edith Hewitt recorded at St Helens Cemetary 18-2-1943 Did she never marry??? how can I check this out?? I would be grateful for any help thank youuuuuuuuuuuuu

Hi all you good people, can you help. Would someone look at the 1911 census for 70 claughton street st helens lancashire- who is living there, and the ages and occupations of the residents. thanks

Something odd appears to be happening.

On FMP the only house record showing up for Claughton Street, St Helens (Prescot reg district) is house number 14 (The family living there are called Bridge).

On http://fmpbsol.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx a search is failing to find any record of Claughton Street, St Helens.

Hi Jonesey that really is odd cos I know the property is still there today- and I am sure that a few years ago I looked at this address and the smart family were in residence in 1911 plus in 1914 this was the address on my dads birth cert. as being his place of birth. Spooky!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here it is 70,Claughton St
Fred Woodstock 1880 glass flatener married 9years
Grace 1880
Frederick 1908 son
Norman 1911 son
Austin Smart brother in law single 1890
Ellen Smart sister in law single 1884
Mary Smart sister in law single 1886
Ethel Woodstock born Liverpool single 1883
All others born St Helens Lancs.

Maryb

I just put St helens in seach and it came up with list,this was after I viewed original and saw there were more numbers,but couldn't get into them.

Definately a wierd one. Here is the full 1911 details (Thanks to Mary) plus the smart family back to 1891 but no trace as yet for 1881:

1911 census transcription details for: 70 Claughton St St Helens Lancashire

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN22771 RG78PN1333 RD456 SD5 ED17 SN169


Reg. District: Prescot Sub District: St Helens
Parish: St Helens Enum. District: 17

Address: 70 Claughton St St Helens Lancashire
County: Lancashire


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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WOODSTOCK, Frederick Head Married
9 years M 31 1880 Glass Flattener St Helens Lanc

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WOODSTOCK, Grace Wife Married
9 years F 31 1880 St Helens Lanc

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WOODSTOCK, Frederick Son M 3 1908 St Helens Lanc

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WOODSTOCK, Norman Son M 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 St Helens Lanc

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SMART, Austin Brother-In-Law Single M 21 1890 Glass Trimmer St Helens Lanc

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SMART, Ellen Sister-In-Law Single F 27 1884 St Helens Lanc

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SMART, Mary Sister-In-Law Single F 25 1886 St Helens Lanc

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WOODSTOCK, Ethel Sister Single F 28 1883 Shop Assistant Liverpool Lanc


>>Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
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SMART Grace Prescot 8b 1364
WOODSTOCK Frederic Prescot 8b 1364


>>1901:
Name: Grace Smart
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: St Helen
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul and St Thomas
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 252
Household Members: Name Age
George Smart 50 born Bristol, Gloucestershire
Grace Smart 22
George Smart 20
Nellie Smart 18 (Ellen?)
Austin Smart 13


>>1891:
Name: Grace Smart
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Eccleston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: St Helens
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Smart 38 born Bristol, Gloucestershire
Grace Smart 13
George Smart 11
Nelly Smart 9 (Ellen?)
Mary Smart 6


>>1881
Cannot spot them at present.


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Births Mar 1879 (>99%)
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Smart Grace Prescott 8b 761

Births Dec 1882 (>99%)
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Smart Ellen Prescot 8b 704

Births Mar 1884 (>99%)
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Smart Mary Elizabeth Prescot 8b 703

Births Sep 1888 (>99%)
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SMART Austin Prescot 8b 663

1881 1,Havelock St Eccleston in prescot.
George @ 1853 bristol grocer and bottle maker
hannah 1854 st helens
George f 1880? son
Frederick brother born 1858 Scotland
Thomas born warrington 1865 Brother
William James Warrington 1867.Brother

Maryb

This could this be Grace in 1881.

1881:
Name: Grace Pemberton
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Eccleston in Prescot
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 131 Westfield St
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 17a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Pemberton 46
Ellen Pemberton 48
Mary Pemberton 22
Margt. Pemberton 17
Eliza Pemberton 12
Grace Pemberton 2

Marriages Jun 1877 (>99%)
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PEMBERTON Hannah Prescott 8b 958
SMART George Frederick Prescott 8b 958