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No id was required back then, as for the census data, it was commonly wrong...dates get rounded up or down.

The census is a basic tool for helping you find other data, i wouldn't hold onto a 2 yr error too tightly, i have some that are out by 10 years over 3 census's!!

I wonder if they have been mistranscribed in 1881.....

Or could dad have been abroad? Maybe thats why you cannot find a UK BMD entry for Alfred?


Tracey x

Hi Rambling Rose, I can't find them on the 1881 census but they are on the 1891 census with Elizabeth Letitia as a widow.

I can't find the family either so your not alone RR!!

Don't forget we are talking about 1840s and not a lot of people could read or write!!!!

On the 1871 census William is a Gas Stoker.

ELIZABETH LETITIA CHESNEY Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 01 JUN 1849 Saint Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, London, England

Parents:
Father: JOSEPH BENJN. CHESNEY Family
Mother: ELIZABETH


Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record.

Hi Tracey, where did you find the baptism records? I'm still fairly new to this and haven't checked any of them on line yet. I take your point about the census records being out but if the baptism you found in 1849 is for Elizabeth and Benjamin (born in 1843 and 1847), the vicar must've been very confused to put those dates in 1833 and 1837! Do you think it's definitely them (in which case you've helped me go one generation further back with their parents) or could the baptism relate to another family?
Thanks for all your help.

I believe it to be them, there is only 1 Elizabeth Letitia Chesney born according to the BMD!

The batism record is on Ancestry and is part of their London records.

I think the vicar just got a little muddled. Parish's back then were huge and he'd have had a lot of work on his plate!


Tracey x

I cannot find a death for William, i wonder...and i know it a little left of centre (but has happened before) has he left is wife and had another family?

She could have merely said widow as he had left her?


T x

Yes William Andrew was described as a "stoker" on the birth cert I have for the son William Samuel so I'm sure it's the right family on the census.

Think it unlikely he would've been abroad (in his line of work) for the birth of Alfred. And after William Benjamin (born in Islington), all the later children seem to have been born in West Ham.

Bingo!

this is them in 1881 original image is Birch, mistranscribed he is a Gas Stoker


1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Buck
Name: Elizabeth Buck
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Bermondsey

Civil parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: 26 Vincent St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Buck 35
Elizabeth Buck 37
John Buck 6
Elizabeth Buck 3
William Buck

They are both on IGI.

1. ELIZABETH LETITIA CHESNEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 JUN 1849 Saint Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, London, England

2. BENJAMIN CHESNEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 01 JUN 1849 Saint Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, London, England

Wow - you are amazing RR! Thanks for that. Still no sign of Alfred, alas.....!!

Tracey - I like your idea (good lateral thinking!) but I think I found William A's death in 1890

Think this might fit if elizabeth Latitia was born in 1843.


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JOSEPH CHESNEY Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH RUSSELL OR PEARCE Family
Marriage: 19 JUN 1842 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.

The fact that there are two surnames may mean she was married before.

1851 RG number: HO107 Piece: 1561 Folio: 414 Page: 30

Address: Bermondsey, Saint Mary Magdalen County: Surrey
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CHESNEY, Elizah Pauper F 6 1845 Bermondsey Surrey

Gonna try and find the rest of um!

EDIT: looks like Elizabeth is on her own with Benjamin

CHESNEY, Benjamin Pauper M 3 1848 Bermondsey Surrey

Cannot see the parents anywhere??


Tracey x

YES YES YES RR your right that is them. It is mistranscribed as the form does read Birch.

Hi Mel, looks very possible - where did you find this one please?

On familysearch.org free to look up but not always right. Look for the extracted records not the Submitted ones.

Hey Tracey, you're so fast, I'm getting lost trying to keep up! What is RG no. pls?

Did you say you had the birth cert of William Samuel 1880?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about William Samuel Birch
Name: William Samuel Birch
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 74

It's the census registration number, each page of each census has it's own unique reference number by using the numbers and the surname you *should* get the data you need.


Tracey x

The RG number is the census ref.