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1861 census for Rutland please

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Frances

Frances Report 5 Jan 2010 11:51

I have found in the Genes Reunited single line census:-

Staples Christiana 1844 Lyddington Uppingham, Great Easton

Please can anybody see her with any family.

Many thanks
Frances

Aveyronnaise

Aveyronnaise Report 5 Jan 2010 11:56

No - she is a servant for the Barnett family.

Aveyronnaise

Aveyronnaise Report 5 Jan 2010 11:57

Here's 1851 though:

Francis Staples 34
Mary J Staples 29
Sarah E Staples 9
Christiana Staples 7
Slater Staples 31



Aveyronnaise

Aveyronnaise Report 5 Jan 2010 11:58

Sorry, should have said, Slater Staples is brother of Francis.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 5 Jan 2010 12:01

1881

Francis STAPLES Head M Male 62 Aston, Rutland, England Road Labourer
Mary STAPLES Wife M Female 62 Stouton, Leicester, England Wife Of Labourer
Joseph STAPLES Son U Male 26 Tixover, Rutland, England Ag Lab
Slater STAPLES Brother U Male 60 Aston, Rutland, England Railway Labourer
Hannah M. PHILLIPS Visitor U Female 16 Weldon, Northampton, England Needlewoman


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Source Information:
Census Place Tixover, Rutland, England
Family History Library Film 1341762
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3193 / 15
Page Number 23

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 5 Jan 2010 12:01

Husband
Slater Staples Pedigree


Birth:
Christening:
Marriage: About 1842 Liddington, Rutland, England

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Wife
Elizabeth Brown Pedigree


Birth:
Christening:
Marriage: About 1842 Liddington, Rutland, England
Death:
Burial:


Aveyronnaise

Aveyronnaise Report 5 Jan 2010 12:02

Parents were already married by time of 1841 census:

Francis Staples 24
Mary Staples 21


Aveyronnaise

Aveyronnaise Report 5 Jan 2010 12:05

1871 for parents:

Francis Staples 56
Mary J Staples 52
Joseph Staples 16
Slater Staples 52
Anne M Phillips 6

Anne M Phillips is "visitor"

Frances

Frances Report 5 Jan 2010 12:06

Thanks both of you for that information. I was hoping to find her with her sister Sarah, as she is not available in the 1861 census on Genes Reunited.

Aveyronnaise

Aveyronnaise Report 5 Jan 2010 12:09

Odd that there is a marriage mentioned for Slater Staples as he is described on all the census returns as "unmarried" not "widower".

Aveyronnaise

Aveyronnaise Report 5 Jan 2010 12:18

Can't find Sarah Staples in 1861 either (on Ancestry). Could she have married - and (just a thought) is there any chance that Anne Phillips could be a grandchild rather than just a visitor? Sorry I haven't got time to carry on searching now but will come back to this later and see if I can find anything.

Chris

Frances

Frances Report 5 Jan 2010 12:20

Aveyronnaise. Yes it is odd. IGI record is a mystery with no proof. Sarah Elizabeth Staples is the ancestor I am trying to match up but is her father Francis or Slater Staples. Can you possibly find her in the 1861 census for me. I think her birth is listed in free bmd as female in 1841.

Frances

Frances Report 5 Jan 2010 12:22

Aveyronnaise. I have just read your message after posting mine. Would appreciate any help.

Aveyronnaise

Aveyronnaise Report 5 Jan 2010 12:41

Just a note to be careful about the info about the Staples family on LDS - all the entries I have seen have been SUBMITTED not EXTRACTED and therefore need to be treated with caution!

Sarah Elizabeth Staples is shown as being the daughter of Slater Staples and Elizabeth Brown (census returns state him to be unmarried and also state Sarah E to be the daughter of Francis and Mary); she is shown as marrying in Wing, Rutland in 1870 and having been born in about 1842 in Liddington. But there is also a birth for Sarah Elizabeth Staples in Wing in 1849.

EDIT!! Just saw your last posting - so we are both thinking the same way and can probably discount everything from LDS in this case.

Aveyronnaise

Aveyronnaise Report 5 Jan 2010 12:59

Are you definite that she is Sarah ELIZABETH Staples? And if so, how? Have you traced her back from yourself (and therefore know of a marriage)? I agree that the 1851 census appears to call her Sarah E but the only BMD match I am getting for 1840+or-2 for Rutland is Sarah ANN.

Looks to me as if there's no option but to order a birth certificate!!

Frances

Frances Report 5 Jan 2010 13:34


The definite evidence for Sarah's age is :-

1901 census
Samuel Dams
56 Northants Haringworth Rutland Tixover Cowman Domestic
Sarah Dams
59 Rutland Liddington Rutland Tixover
She married Samuel Dams in 1869 and they are my grandmother's parents.
The only entry that I can find to cover Sarah Elizabeth is a Female Slater in Sep Qtr 1841 Uppingham.

Aveyronnaise

Aveyronnaise Report 5 Jan 2010 13:38

Darn! I came across their marriage earlier and discounted it ... give me 5 minutes and I'll bring it back up.

Aveyronnaise

Aveyronnaise Report 5 Jan 2010 13:46

A propos of nothing, have you got this record from the 1911?

Person: DAMS, Samuel
Address: Tixover Grange Stamford
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DAMS, Samuel Head Married M 66 1845 Working Roadman Harringworth Northants VIEW
DAMS, Sarah Wife Married
41 years F 69 1842 Liddington Rutland VIEW
WYLES, Dorothy Grandchild F 4 1907 Wetherby York VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
19428 Reference:
RG14PN19428 RD411 SD1 ED16 SN34

Registration District:
Stamford Sub District:
Stamford EnumerationDistrict:
16 Parish:
Tixover

Address:
Tixover Grange Stamford County:
Lincolnshire

If nothing else, it confirms you have the right year of marriage for them!!

Frances

Frances Report 5 Jan 2010 13:50

Aveyronnaise, thanks for that info, I did not know they were living at Tixover Grange, obviously in service.

Aveyronnaise

Aveyronnaise Report 5 Jan 2010 13:50

I can't find the blooming marriage now!