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Colin

Your time line looks like a casting list.....joke!!! Well done, it's a 'mission' to do!

So, what about the death certificate for Sarah - details at the bottom of page 15 which Lindsey found for you?

I know Oz certificates give a lot more detail than UK ones and if this was my research, I would be gagging to get that certificate......it’s probably the most important piece of information found so far

Are you going to send for it?

Ginny
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This looks like the same Fred you mention in 1916 ER. He has the same occ; Medical Practitioner? Is this the right person as the family appear to be far from 'middle' class in earlier days?

Are you sure Walter had a brother called Fred?

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954
about Frederick James Walden & Ethel May
Name: Frederick James Walden
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1936
State: Western Australia
District: Forrest
Subdistrict: Albany
Address; Scotsdale Rd Denmark


Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954
about Frederick James Walden
Name: Frederick James Walden
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1937
State: Western Australia
District: Forrest
Subdistrict: Albany


Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954
about Frederick James Walden
Name: Frederick James Walden
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1943
State: Western Australia
District: Forrest
Subdistrict: Albany

Same address and occupation on all. Also wife details are the same

He is missing from 1916 to 1936?

Ginny

Hi ginny
The casting list took longer than I thought it would and at this time no startling revelations -still its early days and a few more people looking at it might produce something.

Thanks for clearing upthe Alfred James question. I don't have the luxury of the full info showing the classifications etc unless I go into perth to our state library. so its pretty much look at the basics and if it fits throw it in for discussion.

I'm glad he wasn't here because that would have been an unwanted complication. Its bad enough as it is.

I have just ordered Madge's birth certificate and thought I wouldl wait until we get that before buying more but I will get Sarah's death certificate. a.s.a. p.

Update. Both certificates have been ordered expect something within a fortnight
PS we will be in the soup kitchen line at the salvo's for the next fortnight.

Another small breakthrough

facts; The North fremantle hospital was called Hillcrest. It was in Harvest terrace and it was run by the salvation army. It was small maternity hospital, less than 18 beds, and was both a paying and a charitable institution.

A lot of the children born there were adopted out.

I have followed this up and the child welfare dept advise me its unlikely Chas was adopted as I have his birth certificate and in the case of adoption in this state those papers are locked away.

The good news is Chas may have been fostered out and if this is so they will be able to help with names dates etc.It will be interesting if Lovell appears as the foster family.

The bad news is their are only two people working in this area and the waiting list is 6 months after the application is lodged .

They are posting me an application form.

Another step forward, but again waiting waiting waiting....

An update for those interested.

I have Sarah Jane Weeks's death certificate and the birth certificate of Madge Jane Weeks.

Applying the blow torch to the certificates I am convinced that the info is only as good as the source that provides it. There are many incosisitencies so the easiest way is to set out another timeline.

1904 Walter levi Walden marries Sarah St Albans Fulham
1905 Walter Henry born
1906 walter died jun Q
1907 Alfred Jas born
1908 Alfred dies JunQ - James born
1909 James dies Sep Q
1909 Sarah said to have marr. Thomas Weeks in Walworth Eng. source Sarahs death certificate.
1910 Sarah said to have arrived in fremantle 1910 (source- death cert)
Best quess is she travelled on the Omrah arr late dec 1909.
1911 Sarah is in Fremantle as is bro' George and aunts and uncles
1911 Charles William Walden born. This is name on Birth certificate.
1912 Sarah said to marry Thomas Weeks in Peckham Eng. Source is Madge Jane Weeks Birth cert.
1912 A sarah Jane Weeks infant is born and dies at Northam. This is confirmed by Sara Jane the senior's death cert. information.
1913 A still born male named Weeks dies at York. Close to Northam
1914 Madge Jane Weeks is born 140 Harold St Nth Perth. Mothers maiden name Sarah Wilson late Walden. Fathers name Thomas Weeks of Peckham England..
1916 Sarah now shown on electoral rolls as Weeks.
1917 onwards the rest of the weeks family boys are shown on the earlier timeline and there is no doubt in my mind that they are the product of Thomas and Sarah.

So am I any closer to finding out who the father of Charles william Walden known as Weeks is?
I think so I have a number of irons still in the fire including as Lindsey suggested getting acquainted with a local Genealogist. I also have made contact with a descendant of the Dymock family - who were Sarahs aunts and uncles mentioned above.

It'sall grist for the mill.

Bye for now.

No marriage listed for the Weeks/Walden/Wilson name!

So they never married.

Dont have any time at the moment as it's graduation day and Im due at the University in an hour or so. Will check back in later

Can you list the FULL details on the birth and death certs that you have for Madge and Sarah please.

Ginny
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Hi Ginny
Are you graduating or are you a member of a faculty? In other words should I be congatulating you or commiserating with you.
Whate-ever; you are a hard task master. I am only a 2 fingered typist and the certificates are loaded with information.

Well no use in further complaining. Here we go - Madge Jane Weeks birth certi
1 - Registration no 2022
2- 1 born on 29th Nov 1914
2 born at 140 harold st north perth
3 -1 name madge Jane Weeks
2 present at reg. - no
4 -female
5 -Fathers name- Thomas Weeks
2 -Labourer
3 - 31 years of age
4 -birthplace Peckham England.
6 1 -married on 18th oct 1912
2 -at Peckham
3 -no previous issue living
4 -1 female previosly deceased.
7 1 - Mothers name - Sarah Wilson late Walden
2 - age 29 years
3 -birthplace Hammersmith Middlesex
8 1 -Informants mark attested to. Her name is Jane Walker.
2 -She is a friend.
3 -she resides at 140 harold st north perth.
9 1 and 2 The accouchuer and certified nurse is Catherine Mac Murray No. 465.
3 -other witnesses Fred and Jane Walker.
10 1 -registered on 3rd December 1914 at
2 - Perth.
11 Signature of District Registrar
12 Not applicable.

Thats enough for that one.

Now for the Death certificate.
I hope I can't be prosecuted for relaying this info.
Similar format but I will streamline it a bit..
I -cert number 970 of 1949
2 -died on 7th may 1949
at Royal Perth Hospital
3 -name Sarah Weeks
home duties
4 -female
65 years of age.
5 -carcinoma of the colon
liver failure
duration of illness -not stated
last seen by Dr. K.M.Bellemore M.B.B.S.
on 6th May 1949.
6 -Fathers names - Unknown Wilson (We know him as James)
job was coal porter
and Mothers maiden name Mary Ann Dymack sic (actually Dymock)
7 -The info was supplied by Charles F Chandler
Who was the Funeral Directors Assistant
Located at 203 Guildford rd Maylands
8 -It was signed by the Registrar
on the 18th May 1949
at Perth.
9 -She was buried on 10th May 1949,
At the Anglican Cemetry Karrakatta
By E.L.Purslowe and Assoc.
10 - the anglican minister was BDO Coleman
11 -Who was born in London and had
Resided in this State for about 39 years.
12 -The Marriage was in Walworth England
About 25 years (earlier)
And she married Thomas Weeks
13 -There were 3 surviving children Madge 35 yrs.Thomas V 32 yrs and
Harry aged 25 years......and
There were 3 males deceased.( A little under-estimated even when cosidering just those in which he had an involvement.)




Thats the crux of it

Hope you find it worthwhile because I'm now exhausted.

At last some really useful information, money well spent, now keep them safe so they don't get crumpled.
I don't think you can credit her with all those children,6 really is enough !
There is so much more on Aus certs compared to ours.

Lindsey,

Its great to see your still in touch.

What you call interesting information is what I call confusing information

Unless some records show up in greater london about the marriage of Thomas Weeks its a fair bet that it didn't happen, at least at that time.

Also if we place sarah in hospital in October 18 1911 and she produced charles william Walden later to be known as Weeks where is he on the deceased record.

The female infant recognised as having died before the birth of Madge Weeks was probably Sarah Jane Weeks born in Northam -there were no females shown as having died on her death certificate and without pushing the envelope too far the male stillborn in york located between their home adress and Northam was also probably hers. - I showed them on the last timeline I did.

If nothing else she was very prone to pregnancy.

Thats just one aspect that is confusing to me.

As an aside I hope your well.
Ive been watching your weather and notice that some of the sceptics doubt the global warming .

Well let me tell you that we have had 100 fahrenheit today and expected 41 centigrade thats 106 tomorrow and Monday.

We have also had our longest run of rainless days since our records started so it really depends on where you are in this big wonderful world of ours.

Stay well
...............colin

Ive searched again for a marriage for Sarah and Weeks but nothing is showing up.

Unless Ive missed it I'd bet a months wages that they didnt marry. I'm not sure where we go from here? I think I've lost the will to live along with forgetting what the hell we are searching for lol

Yes I teach at The School of Education for my sins! But yesterday was very special as my husband recieved his 'Masters' with Dist...clever boy!

Ginny
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Thanks for checking again.

I feel privileged that during this important time in your life you still took time out to try and help me..

The only reason I thought that, as a long shot, they might have married in the greater London area is that Tom might ,and I stress might, have gone to london when first retrenched from the railways when he was at at coolgardie.

Taking a broader perspective thats pretty unlikely unless I can find shipping information showing he went and returned to fremantle. That too is unlikely and will prove nothing BUT if there are passenger records showing tom and sarah on the same boat either there or back then we might have something. Still a pretty remote possibility.

Congrats to you and Mr Ginny. Your turn now get your Masters if you haven't already and then on to the Doctorate.

That was a consideration I had to make earlier in my life when I had a choice to do a Doctorate or a second Masters I now have 2 Masters - One in Phiulosophy in the subject of Training and Quality Assurance and the other in Science relating to Occupational Health and Safety but neither with a distinction.

I thought then that the broader Personnel based educational background would be better for my career.

Thats now history and my career was OK but the lack of a Doctorate still sometimes bugs me as an unfullfilled goal..

I hope you both celebrated well with family and friends what was an important occasion in your lives.

Well done.

PS - my goal here is still to try and find who is the father of Charles W1lliam Weeks, who was said to be the son of Walter Levi Walden, born in Nth Fremantle in 1911.

I don't think its either of them.

Regards ............colin

Penultimate update.
After many many years of searching I believe I have tracked down my true grandfather and his name is charles william lovell. For years I have been looking for the lovell with the birthdate 1885 who travelled to fremantle in 1907. I can't verify who that is unless it is a typo and the birth date should have read 1865.
This then correlates with Charles william lovell who was born in lewisham in 1865 from a family with merchant marine connections. Charles at an early age was on the england australia run and frequently travelled in and out of fremantle and albany giving him access to my grandmother. Charles family had strong connections with calcutta and the P@O line and it is very possible that the physical appearance of my father and aunt were caused by anglo indian hereditary influences.Other references mentioned earlier about Peckham and Wandsworth relate to the area Chas wm lovell was born and raisedi.e. lewisham. There are other compelling factors that give me a 99% assurance that I have finally tracked down the right man.
My sincere thanks go out to all who helped me but in particular to Ginny who was there at the start and at what will be very close to the end of my personal saga..
Bye for now ............colin