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Well Lindsey, it’s nothing if not interesting!!

Hey, new blockbuster 'Walters World' by; Award winning director Colin

Can't wait for the sequel and if we're lucky we'll get a 'trilogy'!!

x

Phew what a complicated tree!

What a lot of work has gone into teh research, Colin you are very lucky to have had these people looking at so much for you.

Cheers

Rachelle

Part three, after the alien abduction of part two, reveals that Colin is the long lost cousin of Lord Lucan, has a country seat and an unclaimed fortune.
Shergar is meanwhile buried under the burned out car on the driveway.

Problem solved.! LOL

Hi all,
I'm back and nearly ready to go a few more rounds with you.
Bali in the major towns is dirty smelly and contains a lot of people all trying to make money one way or another through tourism. Get out into the mountains and see the true Bali. Beautiful people, great religion, wonderful views and at higher altitudes comfortable temperatures for Aussies. Coffee plantations that I would love to own, to work with chocolate and ginger plants and produce the most refreshing drinks.
The lakes and waterfalls at the higher altitudes have to be seen to be believed and white water rafting is not only for the young- a great experience.

Now back to where we left off.

Let me clear up the misunderstanding about the posting issue with which you have all had a lot of fun.

The start of the conversation goes back to Ginny when she asked about shipping records for Sarah.I said then and I say again Idon't know how to do it.

I was talking about getting info from Ancestry or any other supplier of records and transferring the info directly to my tree.

This was what I was talking about when Ginny used the term " posting"

I have tried to do this a couple of times and have lost the info completely. Its gone to the black hole in my computer never to be retrieved by mere mortals. Computer experts would no doubt be able to recover it but not me - not yet anyway.

I explained then that I now write info down, from the source, that I think is important. I then transfer it to this thread or to my tree.

I thought that would have been suffient info for you to understand what I meant but you all joined in to have a little bit of fun at my expense. Its a good thing I've just had a holiday or I might have added a rude word.

I'll break this reply up into parts so it doesn't get too confusing.

Lindsey - The death at sea issue.

I am guilty as charged Ginny hit the nail on the head when she said I looked to be getting information from another source.

I have been collecting bits and pieces over many years and although I initially had the information that there were only 3 children deceased I had selected from the BMD information which I thought to be accurate. It did not include Sidney.

A better researcher than I was at that time gave me the information which I accepted as being true and have not questioned it until now.

I have returned my tree to the initial three I earlier selected and before any-one jumps on me I know I have to get the records to confirm the accuracy.

Lindsey - Walter Levi juniors birth certificate info.

I'm in the clear on this one.

All of the information previously given is accurate and does not need to be repeated here.

To remove any doubt about the certificate and to include the additional info you want,... the certificate is numbered 729/11
There are two pertinent questions ......they are;
Question 6 (3) Previous issue living - answer, nil and Question 6 (4) Previous issues deceased - answer, three.
These seem to be sensible questions and I am surprised they are not used elsewhere. Perhaps an improvement from the colonies.

Finally - not sure when it arrived but cert. 655955 got here confirming your information on walden - cox marriage.

On now to the major insults. I cant answer them all because I'd be here all day.

Incidentally I must be good therapy for all of you and I've convinced myself you have all got a good home life through venting your tension and frustrations on me

Am I "an attention seeker" - Nope well no more so than the average person in fact the opposite is true I like to be unobtrusive until I know people and even then am a little circumspect. I do enjoy a laugh and joke but not normally at some-one elses expense.

Am I "on crack / acid" - No again. Never have never will. I do like an occasional wine or beer. Hate cigarettes.

"Having a friend no one can see." - No again. I'm not delusional in any way.
I am more than happy to say I have an enquiring mind which comes from inquisitiveness and imagination but no more than Lindsey's flight into fancy . Sherga buried under the car. My god, I really liked that and the irish connection to bali Hi -Now include Ballimore- IRA- Sherga .
I sense a new film coming on.

"Bin it and start again" - Not bloody likely- there are over 240 entries some going back 5 generations and most of them accurate.

Well that gets us off to a new start in this new year and I paraphrase Forkner

"Lets toast the new year,
but not to our pasts which are weak and indefensible
nor to the present which again is not completely beyond reproach
but let us drink to the new year which thank god is still pristine and immaculate".

This to me gives us some hope of good to come........colin

Well I am off to our State Library on tuesday where I will build more info on the Lovell connection (in both senses) as well as chasing up info on Madge Jane Weeks birth certificate.
I hope to write my initial findings early next week .

Gird yourself for further flights into fantasy and by the way when I direct the film suggested by lindsey I want you all on board.

Happy New Year

Welcome back Colin

Well , the more I look, the more I find your romantic version of your Walter story on countless sites going back for years.I think we can all agree it is spectacularly WRONG. You have been repeating it for so long I think you believe it to be the truth.

As we shred each point and prove to you that A is wrong you then go off at a tangent, trying to prove it must be X<Y<Z instead.

A] You need to concentrate on when Sarah last lived in, and left England,
{whether alone or with Walter}

B] When Sarah first turned up in Australia
from her marriage until Charles' birth

C] Remove the three children you suppose Sarah had until you have the birth certs. Do not break the first rule of adding anyone to your tree until you have the evidence in you hand. Stop guessing.

Find yourself a friendly librarian and don't muddy the water by trying to prove your theories.

Hi Lindsey
Its good to get your wise advice.

I agree that I was sure that the info on walters birth certificate was true so Walter had to have been here in early 1911 for him to have fathered my dad. It looks less likely with every day that goes by that he was ever in Aus or if he was it was'nt in early 1911.

What you have suggested is what I am trying to find given the local resources in our state Library.

Its nearly 8pm our time and I am reviewing a lot of info I gathered today but one fact has hit me in the face and that is according to electoral information in late 1913, before the birth of madge jane weeks in 1914, Sarah, Tom Weeks and Charles Lovell, all of them in their late twenties, were in the Williams area.

This was not then nor is it today a major population centre so its a good bet they new each other.

More of this later.

I will try and relate what dates and movements happened to give us all a better picture of Sarah from 1913 onward.

I still have no factual date of arrival in fremantle or where she lived and with whom.

The address of 98 chelmesford Rd exists but in 1913 a Walter R Birch lived there and in 1914 a Mrs Alcock was the resident. Did she board for a short time?

Another dead end.

Oh well a little sleep and a brand new day will allow me to write this up in full and who knows it might spark some-one in the team to trigger of a new insight.

Bye for now ..............colin

The answer to this question may lie amongst the many posts in this thread but I can’t see it

Has anyone looked for a death for Sarah in Oz? The death certificate might throw up lots more information?

Colin, you're sounding quite 'lucid', that holiday must have done you good.

Oh and if you want 'dumps of the world' try Miami....yak

Meanwhile back to the movie...that was my suggestion I think Colin - how very dare you!!

Ginny
x

At least that exists


Surname Given Names Sex Age Father Mother Place of Birth Registration District Registration Number Registration Year
WEEKS SARAH Female PERTH 970 1949 ,<<<

as theres no marriage for her and Thomas Weeks.
Australian Death certs generally have more info then ours,
Colin, get your card out and order this one.

Nice one Lindsey

x

Colin looking forward to your timeline...

Remember to add all births, where you see them lying, and also his service dates, the date of birth and Sarah's passage dates....

You need to add anything relevant, once you have them listed we can maybe pick holes further?

If this Weeks guy was Madge's father maybe we can find them on the ER??

Tracey x

In 1916 the ER for Williams WA states.

Weeks Sarah, Highbury, Household Duties.

and underneath her but at a seperate address,

Weeks Thomas, Darkan, Railway Employee.

So in 1916 they were NOT living together...

Very interestingly....

Sarah is listed twice in 1916..... she's also listed at Highbury as Sarah Walden !!!!

So she was most def not married in 1916!

Tracey x

In 1925 they ARE listed together, Swan District WA

Weeks Sarah & Weeks Thomas, "The Hoffman" Greenmount, Home Duties (her) Repairer (him).

There is also an Annie Weeks, Carmel, Housekeeper (a seperate address)

On the second edition in 1925 Thomas & Sarah have moved to Smith Street, Glen Forrest. There is also the addition along with Annie Weeks (same details) of....

Weeks, Francis Edwin, Oakover Estate, Herne Hill, Vigneron.

In 1936 Sarah & Thomas are still @ Smith Street. Swan District WA

In 1943 they are still @ Smith Street, Northam District WA

Tracey x

I've tried to follow the advice given on time lines and kept to only known facts and only then added some suppositions for ruminating upon..I will update as more info comes to

1902 - Thomas (Tom) Weeks joined railway as an apprentice repairer (Fettler) He was employed in gang 27 at bronti.

1905 Tom resigns. Remains in coolgardie electorate for a short time. Is he fossicking for gold?.When does he move?

1907 Charles William Lovell leaves London on-board the Omrah. He is 22 yrs old said to be born about 1885 actual date is Sept Q 1886 Presumed to be born in south stoneham Hamps. see 2c 47.

1910 A sarah walden departs london on the 7th jan on the oriontes. Mrs Walden is shown as single but it is thought that this is to do with her passenger status and not her marriage status. She is shown as carrying out home duties.estimated date of arrival would be about mid February.

1910 cont. Sarahs eldest brother George and his wife (Ihave no details on this lady) leave england on board the Orviette which left london on 28th oct estimated arrival fremantle early to mid
dec 1910. George settles in fremantle eventually dyng there. If there is no evidence of a wife might sarah have travelled with him and then stayed in fremantle. This would link to Harvest rd hospital nth fremantle birth? I need to find georges wife to clear this up.Sarah could still have moved in with them before birth of chas wm walden/weeks

1910 cont. Another Sarah Walden . The omrah leaves london for australia on 11th november. Given the travel time it would have been in fremantle around christmas 1910 . There was a sidney walden on board but given recent findings this is no longer relevant.

1910 cont. The Osterley returns ex brisbane to london through fremantle where a Walter Walden born abt 1885 boards. Problem is he is shown as a Joiner. He exits at Plymouth on abt 1st april 1910.

1911 On 18th October charles william walden is born at the Harvest Terrace Hospital North Fremantle. If this is true Charles will be the first long term surviving child of walter walden.

1911 cont. birth cert states sarah was living at 98 chelmsford rd north perth. cannot confirm this but if she was why go to a hospital in fremantle?.

1913 On10th december Tom weeks is re-employed as a casual repairer at highbury. This is a small community located on the main line between perth and Albany a major port on the south coast.It's located 34 kilometres north of wagin.

1913 cont. A walter r birch is the resident shown at 98 chelmesford rd.

1914 17th Jan -Tom weeks is retrenched from highbury


1914 cont. Madge Jane Weeks is born in Perth 29 nov . Why Perth and not Williams? There is a strong resemblance between charles and madge almost definitely brother and sister

1914 cont. A Leslie R Lovell is born at williams.Is this of any importance? No marriage to be found.

1915 Tom weeks re employed on 8th nov at highbury.

1916 charles william lovell leaves williams for the eastern goldfields to try his luck as a prospector.He is shown as living at the Royal Mail hotel Main st Meekatharra. This location is now many miles away from highbury and williams. Incidentally its only about 32 K's between Highbury and Williams.

1916cont Tom transfers to Darkan 65 kilometres as the crow flies but moe like 85 k's on the roads.
Sarah is shown as household duties at highbury.Could she be now living with Tom Weeks with madge.
The railway transfer was probaly to a camp where single quarters would be available for Tom.
She is also shwn as working as a dressmaker in wagin 34 K's south of highbury. Perhaps she is independent? How can she be shown as domestic duties and working at wagin in same year?

1917 Tom is back at highbury but enlists on the 16th may with the Joint Commonwealth Unit of Workers for Great Britain and leaves immediately.
Sarah gives birth to the first of 5 sons to tom weeks. Francis is
born at the Williams District Hospital.

1919 Tom returns from UK and recommences with the railway at highbury on 24th feb.

1920 Alfred weeks born williams.

1921 family has moved to Coolgardie on the goldfields with the railway and Arthur is born.

1921 cont. A rhoda lovell is born in the West Kimberleys- may have no significance.

1923 Harry weeks is also born at Coolgardie.

1925 to 1936 chas lovell is mining at Gwalia.very close to Leonora.

1925cont Sarah, tom and family move to outer perth metro area - smith st glen forest.They stay at that address until at least 1936.

1928 Family have returned temporarily to south west of our state and tom Jnr is born at Narrogin.

1937 chas lovell now mining at wiluna.

1938 Weeks family transfer to perth metro area - return to glen forrest.

1943 On 10th june tom transfers to the perth gardening gang.

1947 on 29th july he turns 65 gets his gold watch and retires to see out his days at Maylands.

Tracey - no need to worry about francis edwin and annie weeks they are a different family.

It looks as though Sarah jane wilson is boarding with george wilson in fremantle 1n 1910 shown on ER. Still don't know who married george
I wonder if the immigration people provide the electoral roll application as part of the immigration procedure?. If so it would explain the quick registration.

Very interesting... when trawling the ER it shows Frederick James Walden, in Swan in 1910.
Could this be Walters brotherr? If so Sarah must have known he was here.
Swan is east of perth but he moves or at least is registered in the fremantle electorate south of pertrh for the 1916 election
.Remember that registration can take place any time before the election.
Fremantle is the same area that George and Sarah are registered and it is where Sarah gives birth to Chas Wm ???
Fred does not seem to be here after that entry.
Did he return to england to marry dorothy Webb in croydon in Jun Q 1915?
This raises some implications but does not yet explain the Lovell connection
Ginny has cleared this up, different person entirely.,son of a farmer in the albany area.