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Ok Anne's marraiage cert shows Charlotte was a serial bride
here the details from Scotlands People

marriage took place on 17 NOv 1865

Robert Ramsay Train Driver on Railway
married
Ann Higgins Paterson
he was from Stirling she was from Clackmanan
his parents are Robert and Robina Ramsay m/s Cuthbertons

Ann's are as it appears on the cert

Andrew Paterson Cartor Dec?
Charlotte Fife formerly Paterson formerly Blair m/s Scotland

Jackie

If you look at the 1841 Census, Charlotte had her son James Blair (13) living with her & Andrew Paterson who I originally thought was
charlotte's husband but looks to me like either her husband's father or she married an old man.


Kath

As the question asked was for the parents of Charlotte Scotland ,and her death certificate is missing that info,then the only hope is poor relief as all her marriages are before 1855.poor relief records are either at Scotland Archives or New Register House,both Edinburgh.

Poor Relief Records

The NAS holds parochial board records for some parishes in East Lothian (NAS ref. CO7/7, DC5/4-5 and DC7/4),
Midlothian (NAS ref. CO2/77-91) and Wigtownshire (NAS ref. CO4/30-47). For information on records for all other areas of Scotland you should contact the relevant local archive. A list of Scottish archives is available on the Scottish Archive Network (SCAN) website. The SCAN website Knowledge Base also contains information on poor relief registers.

My sincere apologies to everyone for not returning to the thread - I wrongly assumed I would get alerts if anyone reponded!

Thank you all for all your efforts which I will now investigate.

My only source for Charlotte Scotland is the marriage certificate of my great grandparents Robert Ramsay and Ann Higgins Paterson where Charlotte is recorded as Ann's mother.

Regards
Allan

Ann Paterson's middle name of Higgins has come from a Grandmother either on the Paterson side or the Scotland Side.

With Ellens post in mind

3 15/07/1775 HIGGINS JOHN JEAN SCOTLAND/ M CLACKMANNAN /CLACKMANNAN 466/ 0040 0432 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

2 07/06/1778 HIGGINS ISOBEL JOHN HIGGINS/JEAN SCOTLAND F CLACKMANNAN /CLACKMANNAN 466/ 0040 0100 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

unfortunately parish records are very basic so there is no way of proving any connection

Jackie

Given that the family did not seem to move very far this may be of interest

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1189550
Clackmannan Parish Burials pre-1855, A4
Price: £3.00

Hello Folks,

I've been through all your posts and am astonished how much work you have all put in, so once again my sincere thanks.

One thing is clear, which is the confusion! I've been through most of it before, but I think the crux is the marriage certificate of Robert Ramsay and Ann Paterson (my great grandparents), which shows Ann's mother as Charlotte Fife formerly Paterson previously Blair M/S Scotland. Charlotte had 4 Paterson children and one Blair child, hence I can discount the Jess possibility. On her death certificate, it is quite possible that her son-in-law, when registering her death, did not know either her father's Christian name, her mother's name, or her previous )Paterson) married name.

It looks like we are no nearer finding who her parents were, but I'll keep trying!

Regards
Allan

It's not the first time the parents on a death certificate is empty.She must have claimed poor relief to bury at least 1 of her husbands ,or between marriages.

Ellen,

Sorry I don't understand the Poor Relief conclusion, how do you arrive at that?

Allan

Allan

Poor relief before 1845
The first acts of parliament to deal with the relief of the poor were passed in 1424. Most of these and subsequent acts in the 15th and 16th centuries were aimed at dealing with the problem of 'sturdy beggars'. Few records detailing individuals survive from this period. After the Reformation the responsibility for the poor fell on the parish, jointly through the heritors (local landowners) (NAS ref. HR) and the kirk sessions (NAS ref. CH2). The heritors often made voluntary contributions to the poor fund in preference to being assessed (a tax on the owners of land or property). The kirk sessions raised income for the poor from fines, payments for carrying out marriages, baptisms and funerals and church collections.
Lists of distributions to the poor in cash and in kind will appear in records of the heritors and kirk sessions. Sometimes poor relief records were kept in a separate volume for that particular parish. In the majority of cases, however, you should look for minutes or accounts and then simply trawl through the entries to see if there are any relating to poor relief. Unfortunately there is usually no quick way of searching through these records since poor relief was almost always recorded in amongst all the other financial business of the parish.


Poor relief after 1845
Following the Poor Law Amendment (Scotland) Act of 1845 parochial boards were set up in each parish to administer poor relief. The type of record you should look for changes gradually from those of the heritors and kirk session to those of the parochial board and, after 1894, the parish council. It can still be worth checking the heritors' and kirk session records for mentions of payments to paupers for up to 40 years after the establishment of parochial boards.
The records of the parochial boards can sometimes be found in the heritors' records, but more frequently they are found in the county, district and burgh records. Each parochial board had to keep a roll of the poor to whom it gave relief and these can contain a considerable amount of detail about each pauper - name, age, country and place of birth, marital status and details of spouse and children. The records may also include applications for those who were not successful in receiving relief. The NAS holds parochial board records for some parishes in East Lothian (NAS ref. CO7/7, DC5/4-5 and DC7/4),
Midlothian (NAS ref. CO2/77-91) and Wigtownshire (NAS ref. CO4/30-47). For information on records for all other areas of Scotland you should contact the relevant local archive. A list of Scottish archives is available on the Scottish Archive Network (SCAN) website. The SCAN website Knowledge Base also contains information on poor relief registers.

I think what Ellen is trying to tell you that back then they would more than likely have had to apply for help with burial or day to day living when their spouses passed away especially if they had young children and could not work. So Charlotte may have claimed at some point and if she did there will be info about her on the claim

Some parish poor relief records can hold a lot of info.Regarding parentage ,children,who the children married ,where they are ,and how many children they had.