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Def says Ivy on image,she will never believe its her mum,there have been sooo many anomilies?in this family that one more will topple the reasoning I think.
When they dont see it for themselves it is very hard for people to get their heads round.
And after I found that her married name should have been other than it is,and proved it,(her father in law was illegit with made up surname and father by his mother)I think this may send her screaming to the men in white to take me away

ELDERFIELD, Ivy Granddaughter Single F 8 1903 School Chislehurst Kent

Just phoning to see if Flo had a sister lil.
Cant remember.

Shes not in,nor is her sister,will try later.
But she is with the correct gran isnt she?so I guess its her...

Well, that Ivy seems to have neither married nor died (the Ivy K and Ivy L who married are both accounted for in births), unless she married verrrry young:

Marriages Sep 1919
Elderfield Ivy Letts Croydon 2a 978
Letts William J Elderfield Croydon 2a 97

Four births to that marriage, 1920-1938. Could be!


Your Florence M married in Bromley 1922?
Interesting that the only other Florence M marriage was in Croydon 1922.

Yep Florence M first marriage 1922 to Gibbens,divorced him after 2 kids and remarries to my friends dad ,and then has 2 kids in the autumn years of her life.
Their playground was longleat wildlife park ,before it had wildlife in it.

Well connected friends I have see.

Have you found the oddity of my friends sisters birth yet.
Just recieved her LONG birth cert for her,def Florences, and correct father on it though.PHEW!

Good grief, I think I've done well figuring out the second marriage and one birth, now that you challenge. How would one know anything about the second unless one knew what one were looking for??

As for "her married name should have been other than it is,and proved it,(her father in law was illegit with made up surname and father by his mother)", just tell her my mum has been living with it for some years now. ;) I wonder whether it goes like this every time now: What's your maiden name? Monck ... er, Hill ... er, Monck ... . Not to mention that I've informed her her great-great-grandmother was an 'Oare!

florences siblings pre 1911.

Flo 1904

Redvers leonard/leonard redvers elderfield 1906

lilian Freda 1907 march q?,never heard of in this family they say,so maybe died young.

Eugenio Humbert 1907 dec q ,known as Humbert
Possible to squeeze 2 births in there!

Madeline mary 1909.


On 1911 Leonard and Florence Elderfield say 4 kids born and 4 living.

Maybe they just didnt add their names to the census?

How about she was in a hospital or something?

INSTITUTION E F sex:F 1905 6 Billericay Essex

That's the only F.E. born 1902-1908 in the census.

On a search for people with first name starting with, randomly, M, in a household with an F.E. in Billericay ... there are three pages, all but a very few identified by initials only.

Lilian and Ivy are both likely daughters of Daisy, don't you think? She was born 1886.

I did think about Daisy being an over generous woman with her charms,but didnt want to interupt your line of thought!

F.E in hospital,may well be,but all 4 took out a block booking do you think?
And with the names that they have surley ONE would have shown somewhere on 1911.
But NO ,par for the course for me on this family.


I know where Flo and co are,
They have gone to stay wherever it was that their father Leonard was in 1901.

I wonder about the Boer War as a scenario for Leonard in 1901?

(well it COULD have happened...)

Maureen

It could well have Maureen,I always forget about that,and heres me with a great uncle called "Mafeking" born 1901 as well.

Yeesh, for *me* to forget the Anglo-Boer War? Where Rossiter McCock turned up??

http://www.britishmedals.us/files/iye.htm

Only one Elderfield in the IY, a Francis.

Thank you Janey and Maureen for your interest in all this.
I am most delighted to have idled an hour or two away with you to get precisely where I started from with the Elderfields.

Oh but you did find Eliza and probable George Elderfield in disguise Janey,so that is added to the file.
Just a few odds and ends to tidy up on Hubbys side for my friend now.

I may be back here asking about Duddens and Cook/Corks/Cocks yet,who knows!
viv