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Yes Lancashire Ann I have William Henrys birth certificate
Thank you Catherine

Thanks Lancashireann

I did not seem right.



Catherine
Do any of the things we have added look right. Any thing you can add in the search for Elizabeth Bland. We are still having trouble identifying her.


Anyone any thoughts on Elizabeth Blank?


I am going for a while but will be back.

there are a few Elizabeth Blank marriages on freebmd including one in Nottingham district

Hi Ladykira and JaneyCanuck thanks for all your hardwork.Sorry I havent been able to check my threads as often as I would have liked.
Im a grandma with six grand children four of whom Im available
to for School both ends of the day and for after school stuff and the rest while mum works.
I will follow up on the H.ope family see if I can find something there once again many thanks .I will let you know what transpires Catherine

We do all have lives, don't we Catherine?!

How about a couple of easy answers?

For starters, where do you have the name Elizabeth Bland from?

It can be a little frustrating for people to put in effort like LadyKira has and not have any idea whether it was going in the right direction.

Hi again Ladykira JaneyCanuck and Lancashire Ann all I have on Elizabland is the census records and William Henrys Birth
certificate thats my problem.My dads brothers George and Joseph were the only people of my dads family that I new
and they had a different father.regards Catherine

Hi Janey Canuck the name on the birth certificate is clearly
Elizabeth or Eliza Bland but the certificate is a copy.Is it possible
someone Wrote it down wrongly.It does say she made her mark. Catherine

Catherine, here's what we have on page 2:

Marriages Dec 1858
Hartley Joseph Rochdale 8e 46
Hope John Rochdale 8e 46
Spencer Elizabeth Rochdale 8e 46
Stott Elizabeth Rochdale 8e 46
Whitehead Ann Rochdale 8e 46


You have started a new thread in which you say:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1182320

Hi Lady Kira and JaneyCanuck,sent to Rochdale for
Betty SpencerJohn Hope marriage certificate 8 e 46
The people at the registerars couldnt Find it ,so I think
I may go to the place in Bow Lane Preston where they
keep the records of all Lancashire except Manchester
Catherine


Potential problem - I haven't reviewed this thoroughly -- but do we know that Spencer was the one Hope married?

Always order a marriage cert in one name only where you don't know who in a list married whom. John Hope might have married Elizabeth Stott.


edit - okay, I see that Spencer is the name of interest to us.

I'm afraid that it being 4 pm Friday where I am, and me being brain-dead as usual after a long week of work, I'm going to beg off for the moment and hope LadyKira's head is in better shape!

Hi Janey Canuck thanks I will just use the one name next time
Catherine

Hi Ladykira,JaneyCanuck has set me right on the matter of a
marriage certificate for Elizabeth Spencer and John Hope
I will try the Registry Office in Bow Lane Preston where they have records for the whole of Lancashire
thanks Catherine

Sorry I am still at work and will be for sometime yet. Just taking a coffee break. I have a busy weekend with my grandchild tomorrow so may not be able to help.

they would not have found a marriage between John Hope & Betty Spencer in 1858 because as I said on p 3 John married Ann Whitehead from that freebmd list

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1858
HOPE John
WHITEHEAD Ann
Rochdale, St Chad Rochdale

Elizabeth Spencer married the groom who is missing from the list

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1858
SPENCER Elizabeth
ROBERTSON Alexander Gordon Campbell
Rochdale Register Office or Registrar Attended

just as a refresher this shows the Hope /Spencer connection

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1848
HOPE William
Great Harwood
mmn = SPENCER

Hi LancashireAnn, Yes I believe this is Elizabeth and Johns son

But Im looking for Elizabeths Fathers name.Catherine

Hi LadyKira and Janey Canuck I have been to Clayton le Moors
Library the lady there was very helpful she prodced a book.
Brodericks Chapelry registers of Altham .We found that George
was born in 1833 not 35 on Nov 1st his father also George died
at 38 from according to the vicar a visitation from GOD.He was buried on the 19th of May 1833.
George snr was married to Anna Baldwin of Rishton her father
was George mother Elizabeth.This is as far as I have got
Thank you both Catherine

And just to refresh my memory again (had to look it up back on page 1) .) -- this is George Spencer.

Born 1833, parents George Spencer and Anna Baldwin.

Anna's parents George Baldwin and Elizabeth.

Baptised in Clayton Le Moors.


I'm afraid I may be terminally muddled on this one, and lancashireann may be your best bet here!

I wonder whether this might be George in 1851

Name: George Spencer
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Lodger
Where born: Clayton Le Moors, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Oswaldtwistle
Registration district: Blackburn

William Rushton 50
Alice Rushton 55
Alice Rushton 26
Betty Rushton 21
Salley Rushton 17
Robert Rushton 13
William Hinman 1
George Spencer 17

thanks for the compliment Janey but I think I am as muddled as you though that summary was helpful.

I am still wondering how we know we have the right George Spencer as there were rather a lot of them and as far as I am aware his marriage to Eliza Bland proving his father has not been found yet.

There is certainly a baptism of a George in Altham (it's online) son of George, LATE and Anne

maybe it would be easier to find Betty Spencer's marriage to John Hope in the parish registers and hope that it gives her father's name

Catherine - if you go to Bow Lane (I gather you are not too far away) try looking for this possibly in Clayton or Altham as marriages online do not start until 1841 or Betty's baptism about 1815/16 to see if the parents are the same

Thanks LancashireAnne I will search for Betty Spencer nee Hope when I go to Bow Lane .The lady at Clayton le Moors
library seened to think George and Anna Baldwin were
George who married Eliza Blands parents .
This week is Half Term so I wont get to Bow Lane this week
and in November Im meeting a lady coming from Cyprus Sarah Spencers s sister is this ladys ancestor who knows we may find another root.
Many Thanks to all Helpers
Catherine