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There is also this 1901 record which gives birth place as Whitworth, civil parish Bury:-

Name: Charles Rhodes
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitworth, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Bury
Ecclesiastical parish: Elton St Stephen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Private in Regular Army Infantry

Condition as to marriage: Single

Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Elton
ED, institution, or vessel: The Barracks

None of this may be relevant, of course, but hope it helps somewhere along the line!

There is also this 1901 record which gives birth place as Whitworth, civil parish Bury:-

Name: Charles Rhodes
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitworth, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Bury
Ecclesiastical parish: Elton St Stephen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Elton
ED, institution, or vessel: The Barracks


Hiya this sounds like him when it says inmate does it mean he was in prison ???

British Phone Books, on ancestry, have a
W. Rhodes , Btcher 603 Market St. Whitworth (which is just near Bury)
He is listed from at least 1929 to 1961 - didn't check any further.
Could this be his family?

(I am not sure hun I am so confused now lol)

1911 search:-
First names CHARLES
Last names RHODES
Birth Year 1882
Birth Year +/- 1 years
Birth Place LANCASHIRE

only showed one:-
HOUSEHOLD RHODES CHARLES WILLIAM M 1883 28 Oldham Lancashire

living in same household:-
HOUSEHOLD RHODES EMMA F 1907 4 Oldham Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD RHODES MARY ANN F 1882 29 Oldham Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD RHODES WILLIAM M 1908 3 Oldham Lancashire

I reckon this Bury (Whitworth) is the correct area this is so exciting :--)

No not in this case. He was in Barracks and is clearly stated as a Private in the Army Infantry.

The 1911 census may not be him but could just be worth keeping on file.

Just tried another 1911 search:-
First names CHARLES
Last names RHODES
Birth Place WHITWORTH

and only one came up again
HOUSEHOLD RHODES CHARLES M 1882 29 Rochdale Lancashire

and correct age so could be worth a look!

"If" he was born in Whitfield, then this is a possible 1891:-

Name: Charles Rhodes
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Julia
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitworth, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Spotland
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Whitworth
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Whitworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Rhodes 51 born: Wardleworth, Lancashire
Julia Rhodes 43 born: Douglas, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Henry Rhodes 17 born: Smallbridge, Lancashire
John James Rhodes 16 born: Smallbridge, Lancashire
Sam Rhodes 14 born: Whitworth, Lancashire
Charles Rhodes 10
Alice Rhodes 7 born: Whitworth, Lancashire
Ruth Rhodes 2 born: Whitworth, Lancashire

Hiya

Ok I have made a note of all this what I can tell is there seems be 2 (Charles Rhodes) born 1882 or either 1883 this would make both these dates ideal for my grandfather who died in 1950 so would make him about 68/69 years

I do think Bury and Whitworth is the place ( Aint it famous for brown sugar)

I like the idea also I have history of army here I must check out more on this !!!

Thankyou for all your help shame I still can not find a connection on cricket !!!

Many Kind Regards Andy

Hi Catherine

That is fasinating what you just brought up !!!

I wonder if it is the same 1 ( even though the birthdate is a 2 years out) maybe ???

Hi Catherine is there a place I can check out about the army link ?

I am a bit confused why he was in the army then as there was no war going on is there a way I find out mor about him and his regiment ??

Haven't been ignoring you Andrew but had to sign off to get to bed.

Don't forget the British were an empire and needed the army to keep order in all the commonwealth countries and lots of men joined the army if they couldn't find work too.
Britain was actually at war at the time, the Boer War started in 1899 and finished in 1902 so maybe he signed up for that ?
If the army was his career then he could have service records for the First World War. Ancestry have some records of service records so I'll take a look and see if I can find anything and Find My Past have records, but that's pay to view.

There are 3 main series of army records - the medal cards (most everyone got a service or campaign medal), the pension records, and the service records.

The last is the most interesting, but 70% got destroyed during WW2. Ancestry will/has indexed and digitized these - but they've only done A-N. Maybe you should periodically try looking up Rhodes (all the Rhodes there currently are corrected spelling types), and maybe post a lookup request when Ancestry've gotten there.

hiya thanks for the reply :-)

I will relax and take it easy and yeh 1 day at a time lol

Head John James Rhodes 36 single Cotton Spinner born Smallbridge Lancs
Brother of head Henry Rhodes 39 single Cotton Spinner born Smallbridge Lancs
Brother to head Charles Rhodes 29 born Whitworth labourer Army Pensioner

And they were living at

3 South Street
Whitworth
Rochdale.

So, if that's who he was living with in 1911, then the 1891 census I found is the correct one.......:-

James Rhodes 51 born: Wardleworth, Lancashire
Julia Rhodes 43 born: Douglas, Isle of Man, Isle of Man

<<<Henry Rhodes 17 born: Smallbridge, Lancashire
<<<John James Rhodes 16 born: Smallbridge, Lancashire
Sam Rhodes 14 born: Whitworth, Lancashire
<<<Charles Rhodes 10
Alice Rhodes 7 born: Whitworth, Lancashire
Ruth Rhodes 2 born: Whitworth, Lancashire

so parents would be James and Julia!

1881:-
Name: Charles Rhodes
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Julia
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitworth, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Spotland
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: Church Street

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Whitworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Rhodes 36 born: Syke, Lancashire (Cotton Minder)
Julia Rhodes 30 born: Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Henry Rhodes 8
John James Rhodes 6
Sam Rhodes 4
Charles Rhodes - 5mths.

Marriage:-
Marriages Mar 1873 (>99%)
Bamford James Rochdale 8e 128
Holt Mary Rochdale 8e 128
<<<<LAWLER Julia Rochdale 8e 128
<<<<Rhodes James Rochdale 8e 128

Hi Catherine

thankyou for the information I am convinced that this Charles Rhodes is indeed my grandfather now so greatful for all your help :--)

I still have 1 doubt on all of what we have talked about and that is to a refrence to another Charles Rhodes being on the 1891 censu who was aged 1 so he qwas born 1890 and the address given at the time was 54 bridge street bury heywood lancs if this is my grandfather then all of the other info we have talked about is invalid !!!

Andrew,
If the death record in Middlesbrough is correct:-
Charles Rhodes
age 68
Middlesbro
June quarter,,1950
1b 674.
then he can't have been born in 1890.

If I were you I think I would buy a copy of the death cert. in case it can give you any other clues, or, if he was buried, maybe his tomb stone has his parents names inscribed on it. If you don't know where he is buried, burial info is kept at Middlesbrough Crematorium and if you contact them they will find a grave for you.
I'm leaving today for ten days so won't be on line for a while but I'll check back in when I get back to see if you have gotten any further.
Catherine