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wisechild

wisechild Report 25 Sep 2011 16:12

That is strange Evelyn because normally any sort of maintenance or army pension would have ceased when she was 21.
That brings me back to the suggestion I made yesterday that she was possibly younger than she said she was & she stretched the truth when she got married, so that she didn´t need parental consent.
As far as the income is concerned, either the Regiment if it was from her father, or a solicitor must have been involved & it was paid with the proviso that it ceased when she married or reached 21, whichever happened first. Sometimes, particularly with women, the provision didn´t end until they were 30, but that was usually where they were recieving an income from a bequest & recieved the lump sum at a particular age.
Do you think it´s possible.......silly question because anything is.... that she met Robert Macleod when she was nursing. maybe he was a patient.
I probably shouldn´t say this after all of everyone´s hard work, but I´m beginning to wonder whether Aunt Kate in Stornaway is a blind alley & you should be concentating your search in England.
This really must be the ultimate exercise in thinking outside the box.

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 25 Sep 2011 16:24

This is my precis from a few pages ago.....it may help clarify a few points...


This search has been going on for over two years now and it still remains a mystery. Here is a brief summary of what we have so far: (As this is really FBG's baby, she has verified this info )


DIANE LESLIE MacLEOD born cJune 1906-8 India?

No verification of this birth can be found whatsoever. Searches have been
made of Indian, Scottish and English births by many people but to no avail as yet.

Possibilities: This is not her real name.
DIANE: Searches have been made under: Donaldina, Dolinda, Dolina etc.


LESLIE: She was very attached to her middle name of Leslie and insisted it was spelt that way. She gave the name to one of her sons. Some searches have been made re this name. More may need to be done.


MacLEOD : On her marriage certificate (1929 in London), she states her
father to be Major Robert MacLeod of the 1st Seaforth Highlanders, Deceased. Nothing of him can be confirmed despite extensive military searches being made. These can be found on ps 2-4 and 14-15 – 29 and 36 of this thread.


Her family were told that she went to live on Stornoway with ‘Aunt Kate and
cousins Donald & Ishbel (Isabelle)’. This family has been researched as probably the family of Rev. Donald MacLeod who was the minister of the church in Tarbat. The present Incumbent of that church has been contacted and was most helpful.

The family consisted of:
Donald Smith MacLeod 1854 -1930 in Roseneath, Dumbarton.
Kate Isles Wylie 1864 - 1935 (Widow) in Roseneath,
Jean Annabella 1888 - ?
Katherine Mary 1890 - ? Married Archibald K. MacLean.
Donald Stanley 1890 – Lieut. RN.
Murdo 1891 - Wounded at Gallipoli
Lizzie Isles 1893 – Married a McMurchie
Hector Ian 1895 – 1916 Killed in Action
Ishbel 1896 – 1976 in Inverness. Married a Grieve
Barabel 1898 – 1923 in Cornwall
Norman 1900 – Wounded in France 1918
Margaret 1900 - ????
Roderick Callum 1902 - ?


More needs to be done on Margaret and Roderick. Margaret was still at home on the 1911. Where did Donald jnr go? Various agencies in Tarbat have been contacted re this family and Diane but nothing found.


It was hoped we had a lead to Jean Annabella but…….? See this link for further info

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1273853

Barabel, who was a Seed Analyst, for the Board of Agriculture, died at the
age of 25 in Cornwall. FBG discovered a family by the name of Bolitho one of whom married a MacLeod from Ross-shire. See p. 44 of this thread for more details.

Diane stated that she went to school in Stornoway. The most likely school
would be the Nicolson Institute. A search has been made for her under D.L.M but there is no sign of her under that name. An enquiry at other local schools may be helpful, maybe looking for a child with the Minister’s address rather than a Diane L. M.


There is no sign of her under DLM on the 1911 Scottish census see p.41


A member on here discovered that ‘Diane’ worked at Springfield Hospital in London from 1927-1928. see p.32. Where was she before that?


In 1929 she married, as Diane Leslie MacLeod, a Herbert R.J. Roy in London. Up until her marriage, she received a private allowance, source unknown. The address given on her marriage certificate is 53 Khartoum Road, Wandsworth, London. The Electoral Roll for 1929 shows the family living at that address were named Kirby. There is no sign of Diane anywhere in Khartoum Road . She may just have been boarding there for a short time prior to her marriage.


Evelyn was born in 1932 at 44 Dafforne Road, Wandsworth and, at least, Diane and her husband show up there on the Electoral Roll. The voters listed at 44 Dafforne Road in 1932 are:


Evelyn Gertrude Goddard-Fenwick Herbert Robert John Roy, Diane Leslie Roy, Kathleen McDowell. The voters listed at the same address in 1931, in case it is of relevance, are Frederick Robert Smithson, Alice Smithson, Edward Hubert Mearing, Doris Mearing, and Kathleen McDowell, and in 1933, Evelyn Gertrude Savile Goddard-Fenwick, Emily Goddard-Fenwick, and Kathleen McDowell. Was this a rental property?


Evelyn Goddard-Fenwick is whom our Evelyn is named after and was her
Godmother. See ps. 22-23 of this thread for more details.


Various living Goddard-Fenwick’s have been contacted but to no avail. You can pm me for details on that.


So this is where the search is up to so far and many members have taken Evelyn and her search to their hearts.


If anyone feels they would like to tackle any of the unresolved issues or
re-check anything that has already been done….please do so. It may be that something has been missed or new information is available. Any new info can be added on here.

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could solve this for Evelyn? Cx


Evelyn

Evelyn Report 25 Sep 2011 16:25

Anything is possible, any suggestions would be gratefully received.
This sounds like the plot of a Mystery film and I begin to think we will never know the answer.
So many lovely people have put lots of hours to this task and still no solution is found.
I just dont know where to look next

wisechild

wisechild Report 25 Sep 2011 16:32

Thanks for the precis Cynthia.
So much easier to refer to that than keep asking questions that have already been dealt with.
As I said to Evelyn earlier, she certainly managed to cover her tracks. Whether it was intentional or not, who knows???
Don´t think anyone will give up now Evelyn. Just keep hoping for a breakthrough.

Evelyn

Evelyn Report 25 Sep 2011 16:35

Cynthia I have mislaid your e mail address or I would have e mailed Dianes photo to you so you could have put it on the thread to let all these good people know who this search is all about.
Ron is not too good today, or to quote him he is knackered, this is not unusual after chemo, so I wont worry unduly (well I will try not to)
Love to you all
Evelyn <3 <3 <3

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 25 Sep 2011 19:06

No- not giving up! Still looking...........

Evelyn I have PM'd you with a curious birth record. Too recent to post on here.

Julie

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 25 Sep 2011 19:30

Will email you again Evelyn.......numpty!


Try not to worry, Ron's bound to have good days and not so good days. <3 <3 <3

Contrary Mary

Contrary Mary Report 25 Sep 2011 21:43


I know this is probably a very very long shot.......and may have been checked out already? But there is this one birth, which would put her age as 18 in 1929???

1911 MCLEOD DIANA F WICK /CAITHNESS 043/00 0340


Mary

jansmith

jansmith Report 25 Sep 2011 22:37

was London Met. Archives also checked for nurses records?

Quoy

Quoy Report 26 Sep 2011 07:30

Well a day without internet access and look what happens a whole page


I have been looking through this site

http://facesmemorial.blogspot.com/
it has lots of photographs and family information on it .

I looked at ths one because of the 1st Seaforth Highlanders

John MacDonald
Last address in Lewis: 6 Aird Tong,
Son of Mr. and Mrs. John MacDonald, of 6, Aird Ting, Stornoway, Ross-shire.
Service unit: 1st Seaforth Highlanders
Service number: 3/7063
Date of death: 17 March 1915 at the age of 22
Died of wounds
Interred: Wimereux Communal Cemetery, grave I. E. 5.
Local memorial: Back

which took me to the

1901 Census

Peggie Mcleod
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relationship: Serv (Servant)
Gender: Female
Where born: Uig, Rossshire
Registration Number: 88
Registration district: Stornoway
Civil parish: Stornoway
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: 43 Lewis St
Occupation: Nurse
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 157
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1901_24
Household Members:
Name Age
John G Macdonald 47
Annie Macdonald 32
Sybil Marry Macdonald 11
John Macdonald 9
Donald Morison Macdonald 6
Mary Macdonald 4
Annie Jane Macdonald 2
Malcolm John Macdonald 2 MO
Peggie Mcleod 20
Kate Mcleod 22

I would be interested to see where Peggie andd Kate were in the 1911
but do not have credits for 1911

Evelyn if you get chance
can you look through the picture's and see if there are any family resemblances .
As you look at the screen on the right hand side there are all the links to the places where the men were from

wisechild

wisechild Report 26 Sep 2011 07:48

Don´t know about this will.

Robert Macleod 14 Battery Park Stornoway.
Died 7.3.1917 in Liverpool
Probate granted London 28.1.1918 to Catherine Macleod Mackinnon.
Any chance this could be Aunt Kate???

Diane would have been about 14 at the time of the death .
Maybe that´s where the private income came from.
Also found a possible link with Liverpool.
Murdoch Macleod of Borich, Clifton Drive, Lytham
died 22.3.1913. Probate London 9.4.1913 to Edward Wright & William Barr
Estate 7722/2/7d.
Haven´t looked any further as I ran out of time yesterday.

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 26 Sep 2011 08:14

Good morning one and all.

Jan, the details re the nursing records are on page 42 - I think the LMA was included.


Mary - the names which Fans checked on the 1911 are on page 41 - Wick and Caithness ring a bell but the one Fans found was too old?


Wisechild, that is the will which Fans sent for but it lead to a 'dead' end....if you'll pardon the pun! Sorry about that!


Quoy - I'm totally befuddled with how many MacLeods there were in the Seaforth Highlanders - it's possible that connection has been looked at but Fans would know better than me - it may be worth checking back on the 'military' pages I've mentioned above.


Very grateful for all thoughts, ideas, suggestions and goodwill which goes on on this thread. One day Evelyn.......one day......we may just crack it!













Quoy

Quoy Report 26 Sep 2011 10:37

From Ancestry message boards

Anyone who may have known my step-grandfather, my aunt would appreciate information. She says, "My Dad's name was Donald Stanley McLeod. He died, we think, in 32. He would have been born in the late l890s, as he was only in his 30s. He died in Ramsey Co. Hosp. (Minnesota) He was a licensed chauffer a Shriner. He came from Scotland as a boy , first to Canada later
to the states." He was part of the family for only a short time, but his daughter and her family would like to find more of their family. If you can help, please reply. Thanks.

and a reply

We have a Donald Stamley Macleod on my wife's family tree :

Donald Stanley Macleod , born 1890 Tarbat Manse , Parish of Rockfield, Rosshire

His brother Murdo John Macleod emigrated to South Australia and we just received his descendants !

Regards from England,
Gerard Lemmens

These posts are from 2009 but I have sent a contact message just incase they are still members

Quoy

Quoy Report 26 Sep 2011 11:00

Perhaps we ought to ask Donald Trump to help

Donald Trump is a son of Fred Christ Trump and wife Mary Anne MacLeod (of Stornoway, Scotland), who married in 1936

His mother, the late Mary Anne MacLeod was born in the village of Tong, and brought up in a small, unassuming pebble-dashed house. Later, she was to marry Mr Trump's father Fred, a property developer, when she visited New York.

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 26 Sep 2011 13:44

Good one Quoy! That more or less tell us what happened to Donald and Murdo. Let's hope you hear back from Gerard.


As for Donald Trump.......er.....I think I'll leave that to you :-D

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 26 Sep 2011 13:48

There is a Gerard Lemmens on this site - born in Indonesia.......I'm going to contact him just in case...........

A case of leaving

no tern unstoned! :-D :-D

Kathy near the

Kathy near the Report 26 Sep 2011 13:52

I am going to the Register Office this week so I can look up the 1911 birth in Wick

Kathy

wisechild

wisechild Report 26 Sep 2011 16:03

I,m on a roll.
Charles Edward Alexander Macleod married Edith Ann Budd 1898 Brighton.
They had 3 children bapt Kensington Alexander Cameron 19.4.1900
Douglas Hamilton 1.7.1901 & John LESLIE. 27.6.1903.
Charles father was Alexander Macleod b Skye abt 1818. He was a physician & surgeon major.
Charles was born in Italy
Ewan b 1868 India
Roderick b 1869 India
Annie D M b 1870 Nottingham.
Also a Flora b abt 1852 India married a Tripp. Widowed by 1891 & living Lambeth. Charles is with her & shown as being born Brindisi Italy.
In 1881 Alexander & the younger children were living Hawthorn Villas, Severnside, Shrewsbury.
Also in Shropshire (Worthen) were Rev Donald John Forbes Macleod aged 52, his wife Mary 54 b Canada, Alexa M Macleod 26 b Canada & Margaret Macleod 24 b Canada.
Donald died 30.4.1896, leaving a substantial estate for a clergyman (2553.13s 4d ) to his wife.
During her life Alexa who appears not to have married, returned from Montreal 20.6.1922,& Surabaya, Indonesia 30.6.1928. Think she also went to Argentina.
Can´t find a Robert among this lot, but do you think it´s possible that Diane skipped a generation when she gave the details of her father´s employment?
Don´t know which regiment Alexander was with, but he was a major & several of his children were born in India.
Clutching at straws here.

Quoy

Quoy Report 26 Sep 2011 16:23

Wisechild check page 54 for one of my straws

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 26 Sep 2011 16:57

Thanks Kathy.

Quoy.........something has just jumped out at me........In the piece wisechild has just posted, it says that Alexa returned from Surabaya. The Gerard Lemmens on Ancestry was born in Surabaya. Not sure what to make of this as I am in the middle of frying onions! Must go...