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AustinQ, thank you so much, am going to get round to putting this info on my Ancestry and genes tree, meanwhile Hope you do not mind, but am relaying info to my cousin Mandie Nunn whom I am sure you have seen on my Ancestry tree, a very big thank you from myself (Pam Barnes nee Nunn ) and Mandie x
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Thank you Dea, you are spot on, thank you AustinQ, you are brilliant, but, Doris Pinkey Nunn ,According to her daughter Doris ( my dad half sister ) was supposed to travel on the TITANIC, but did not board for some reason ?

AustinQ, thank you so much for all this info, I cannot take this in all at once, you are correct that I have part of this family on Ancestry, thank you so much x

Hi, just a mo, let me catch up here, am thanking for your info, info that We did not know about, please keep this open for now .

wow,so much info, , I will not close this info till I have looked into it, Is skeletons in the cupboard stuff, did not think there was a marriage between Doris and my Grandfather Amos ?

Wow, , Thank you so much AustinQ, xx

Gatelady, re your message to share my tree- I am not related to this family.

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Ahhh, looks like Doris' Mum died in Canada- perhaps why Doris and Laura were sent to their Grandparents. This is them in 1916:

1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta
Name: R H Brown
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Widowed
Age: 40
Est. Birth Year: 1876
Birthplace: Scotland
Year of Immigration: 1906
Home in 1916: 02E, Edmonton West, Alberta
Address: 12229, 109 Avenue, Edmonton
Racial or Tribal Origin: Scotch (Scotish)
Relation to Head of Household: Self
Household Members:

Name Age
R H Brown 40
Eva Taylor 35 Lodger
Laura Brown 11 England
Doris Brown 10 Africa

Just had a look at the birth cert of Laura as she was born in Scotland which makes things a whole lot easier!

Laura Brown
born 22nd November 1904
District: Bothwell
Father: Robert Henry Brown, foreign missionary
Mother: Mary Elizabeth Brown, maiden name Brown (Married 3rd Feb 1904 Durham)
Sarah Brown (Grandmother) was informant
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Doris parent's marriage:

First name(s) ROBERT HENRY
Last name BROWN
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1904
Spouse: MARY ELIZABETH BROWN
District STOCKTON
County Durham
Country England
Volume 10A Page 114

This is Doris, Laura and Mum going to Canada in Sept 1908:

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Date of Arrival: 28 Sep 1908
Vessel: Kensington
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, Englan

Mary Brown 36 going to husband in Edmonton
Laura Brown 3
Doris Brown 2

OK- so this looks like them in 1911 in Canada. Robert arrived 1907, so must've gone after returning to UK from South Africa. Dorothy/ Doris, Laura and Mary/ Maria arrived in 1909:

Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
Event Place Edmonton Sub-Districts 1-61, Alberta, Canada

Birthplace
Robert Brown Head M 40 England Methodist Farmer
Mary Brown Wife F 40 England
Laura Brown Daughter F 7 Scotland
Dorothy Brown Daughter F 5 South Africa

The above couple do have son Robert (age out a little from passenger list, but still possible):

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
31, Eden Street, Stranton, Hartlepool, Durham, England

William Brown Head Married Male 38 1843 Insurance Agent Durham, England
Sarah Brown Wife Married Female 38 1843 Insurance Agent Wife West Hartlepool, Durham,
John W Brown Son Single Male 16 1865 Insurance Agents Assistant West Hartlepool,
Mary A Brown Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Domestic -
Robert H Brown Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar - West Hartlepool
George G Brown Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar -
Ellen J Brown Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar Cornforth, Durham,
Joseph E Brown Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar -
Wilfred W Brown Son Single Male 1 1880 Infant -
Sarah Pickering Niece Single Female 16 1865 Domestic
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Robert had left family home by 1891:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Planefield Terrace, Planefield Road, Inverness, Invernessshire, Scotland

William Brown Head Married Male 47 1844 Assurance Superintendent England
Sarah Brown Wife Married Female 48 1843 - England
George T Brown Son Unmarried Male 17 1874 Blacksmith England
Joseph E Brown Son Unmarried Male 15 1876 Clerk England
Ellen J Brown Daughter - Female 13 1878 Scholar England
Wilfred W Brown Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar England
Sarah A Brown Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar England
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Possible baptism for Robert:

Name: Robert Henry Brown
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 May 1871
Birth Place: Cambridge Place, West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Baptism Date: 14 Jun 1871
Baptism Place: Cambridge Place Wesleyan Methodist, West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Father: William Brown
Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 1546294 IT 7-11

If the New York Passenger list is them- then possibly going to Grandparents?

These Browns live in Heathfield Road in 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Heathfield Road Low Fell Gateshead, Gateshead, Durham, England

William Brown Head Married Male Inspector For Equitable House Property Coy Ltd 67 1844 West Hartlepool
Sarah Brown Wife Married Female - 68 1843 Yorkshire Middleton Tyne
Sarah Annie Brown Daughter Single Female - 29 1882 Durham West Hartlepool

Despite the passenger list of them returning to the UK in 1907 I don't see them together on the 1911 England census.

I did wonder if this was Doris and her sister coming to England from New York- they appear to travelling on their own:

Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 21 Mar 1919
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Melita
Shipping line: White Star Dominion Line
Official Number: 137398

Miss Laura Brown 14 Child
Miss Doris Brown 12 Child
European Address: 37 Heathfield Rd, Gateshead-on-Tyne
Intended future residence: England

Thanks Dea- I'll delete my 1939 register as your makes more sense!

I see that Gatelady has a tree on Ancestry- no more information has been added re Doris.

Gatelady you have Doris death as 1988, but based on the date of birth from the 1939 register, her death was in 1991:

Name: Doris Pinkney
Birth Date: 6 Apr 1906
Date of Registration: Sep 1991
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Pontefract
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Volume: 5
Page: 977

I know that Austin has beat me to it yet again and has posted the 1939 but I will post this because it shows exactly where the closed records come within the family and exactly how many there are:

Nunn Household (3 People) 104 Clifford Street , Hemsworth R.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Amos A Nunn 18 Dec 1885 Colliery Surface Worker - widowed
Douglas Nunn 17 Mar 1919 Colliery Surface Worker
3 more people who are officially closed
Doris Pinkney 06 Apr 1906 Unpaid Domestic Duties
1 more person who is officially closed - this one is a child of school age and I 'think' the surname was Pinkney.

Dea x

Gatelady, if you do want more help there is more online than in 2009 so we could probably find a little more:

This is likely Doris and her sister coming into the UK with their parents:

Port of Departure: South Africa
Arrival Date: 18 Sep 1907
Port of Arrival: Dover, England
Ports of Voyage: Cape Town
Ship Name: Feldmarschall Moltke
Shipping line: German East African Line

Robert Brown 1877
Marie Brown 1878
Lora Brown 1905
Doris Brown 1906
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Gatelady,

You have bumped this thread up again after more than 9 years - does that mean you would like some more info on this family - if so, could you let us know what more you are hoping to find out and what you already have please?

Dea x

WOW, thank you so much

a big thank you kathleen and portland rose, i now have something to work with, thank you, pam