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this is a long story, doris brown b 1906 in africa, her sister was called laura, their parents were religeous pioneers, details not known, doris married a man surname pinkney, they had 2 children vera b before 1933 and joan ?, he may have died ?, doris moved in with amos arthur nunn as housekeeper (dates not known) amos ( b 1886 - 1946 ) was my grand father, he died before i was born, his wife was elizabeth williams c1890-c1930, my grandmother, died at an early age, their children were (my dad 1919-2000, ken c1922, albert c1923. amos 1886 and doris 1905/6 had children doris b april 1933, david b 1940-2006, robert c 1948. amos and doris never married, they adopted the name pinkney nunn. i do not know anything about my gran elizabeth williams or her parents or where they came from, likewise anything about doris pinkney nunn. my half aunt doris (1933 nee pinkney nunn ) has given me this information but does not know any more, she is my only means of any information about these people, amos's family came from suffolk, but some of them moved to alverthope yorkshire as coalminers, i know that amos and doris lived at clifford street sth elmsall, pontefract when my dad was born 1919. can anybody tell me anything at all about elizabeth williams and doris pinkney and their background, please, pam.

Could this be Amos's marriage (no middle name given):-

Name: Amos Nunn
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Wakefield
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 86

Also on the page is Elizabeth Williams Hanson (extra name given).

If this could be the marriage then the certificate would hopefully give you Elizabeth's father's name and occupation.

Kath. x

Record Name Date of Registration District County

Albert Nunn Jan Feb Mar 1923 Hemsworth Yorkshire - West Riding

Kenneth Nunn Jan Feb Mar 1926 Hemsworth Yorkshire - West Riding

Douglas Nunn Apr May Jun 1919 Hemsworth Yorkshire - West Riding

Rose

If you buy credits for the 1911 census you can see where Elizabeth was born:

Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other
HOUSEHOLD NUNN AMOS M 1910 1 Hemsworth Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD NUNN ELIZABETH F 1888 23 Hemsworth Yorkshire West Riding
NUNN AMOS ARTHUR M 1886 25 Hemsworth Yorkshire West Riding

Rose

Births Dec 1909
NUNN Amos Hemsworth 9c 166

Deaths Sep 1911
Nunn Amos 1 Hemsworth 9c 256

Rose

Very sad. As well as Amos, they lost the next few children:

Births Dec 1911
Nunn Joseph Hanson Hemsworth 9c 349

Deaths Dec 1911
Nunn Joseph 0 Hemsworth 9c 185

Births Jun 1914
NUNN Arthur Williams Hemsworth 9c 397

Deaths Mar 1915
Nunn Arthur 0 Hemsworth 9c 241

Rose

Vera and Joan? I can't find them under Brown.

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Vera Pinkney
Name: Vera Pinkney
Mother's Maiden Surname: Browne
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1927
Registration district: Stafford
Registration county: Staffordshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 22

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Joan L Pinkney
Name: Joan L Pinkney
Mother's Maiden Surname: Browne
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1929
Registration district: Driffield
Registration county: Yorkshire - East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 501

Rose

Here's her marriage to Edward Pinkney:

Marriages Jun 1927
PINKNEY Edward Brown Stoke T. 6b 577
BROWN Doris Pinkney Stoke T 6b 577

If you buy this you will get her father's name.

Rose

a big thank you kathleen and portland rose, i now have something to work with, thank you, pam

WOW, thank you so much

Gatelady,

You have bumped this thread up again after more than 9 years - does that mean you would like some more info on this family - if so, could you let us know what more you are hoping to find out and what you already have please?

Dea x

Gatelady, if you do want more help there is more online than in 2009 so we could probably find a little more:

This is likely Doris and her sister coming into the UK with their parents:

Port of Departure: South Africa
Arrival Date: 18 Sep 1907
Port of Arrival: Dover, England
Ports of Voyage: Cape Town
Ship Name: Feldmarschall Moltke
Shipping line: German East African Line

Robert Brown 1877
Marie Brown 1878
Lora Brown 1905
Doris Brown 1906
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I know that Austin has beat me to it yet again and has posted the 1939 but I will post this because it shows exactly where the closed records come within the family and exactly how many there are:

Nunn Household (3 People) 104 Clifford Street , Hemsworth R.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Amos A Nunn 18 Dec 1885 Colliery Surface Worker - widowed
Douglas Nunn 17 Mar 1919 Colliery Surface Worker
3 more people who are officially closed
Doris Pinkney 06 Apr 1906 Unpaid Domestic Duties
1 more person who is officially closed - this one is a child of school age and I 'think' the surname was Pinkney.

Dea x

Thanks Dea- I'll delete my 1939 register as your makes more sense!

I see that Gatelady has a tree on Ancestry- no more information has been added re Doris.

Gatelady you have Doris death as 1988, but based on the date of birth from the 1939 register, her death was in 1991:

Name: Doris Pinkney
Birth Date: 6 Apr 1906
Date of Registration: Sep 1991
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Pontefract
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Volume: 5
Page: 977

Despite the passenger list of them returning to the UK in 1907 I don't see them together on the 1911 England census.

I did wonder if this was Doris and her sister coming to England from New York- they appear to travelling on their own:

Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 21 Mar 1919
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Melita
Shipping line: White Star Dominion Line
Official Number: 137398

Miss Laura Brown 14 Child
Miss Doris Brown 12 Child
European Address: 37 Heathfield Rd, Gateshead-on-Tyne
Intended future residence: England

If the New York Passenger list is them- then possibly going to Grandparents?

These Browns live in Heathfield Road in 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Heathfield Road Low Fell Gateshead, Gateshead, Durham, England

William Brown Head Married Male Inspector For Equitable House Property Coy Ltd 67 1844 West Hartlepool
Sarah Brown Wife Married Female - 68 1843 Yorkshire Middleton Tyne
Sarah Annie Brown Daughter Single Female - 29 1882 Durham West Hartlepool

The above couple do have son Robert (age out a little from passenger list, but still possible):

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
31, Eden Street, Stranton, Hartlepool, Durham, England

William Brown Head Married Male 38 1843 Insurance Agent Durham, England
Sarah Brown Wife Married Female 38 1843 Insurance Agent Wife West Hartlepool, Durham,
John W Brown Son Single Male 16 1865 Insurance Agents Assistant West Hartlepool,
Mary A Brown Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Domestic -
Robert H Brown Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar - West Hartlepool
George G Brown Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar -
Ellen J Brown Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar Cornforth, Durham,
Joseph E Brown Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar -
Wilfred W Brown Son Single Male 1 1880 Infant -
Sarah Pickering Niece Single Female 16 1865 Domestic
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Robert had left family home by 1891:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Planefield Terrace, Planefield Road, Inverness, Invernessshire, Scotland

William Brown Head Married Male 47 1844 Assurance Superintendent England
Sarah Brown Wife Married Female 48 1843 - England
George T Brown Son Unmarried Male 17 1874 Blacksmith England
Joseph E Brown Son Unmarried Male 15 1876 Clerk England
Ellen J Brown Daughter - Female 13 1878 Scholar England
Wilfred W Brown Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar England
Sarah A Brown Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar England
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Possible baptism for Robert:

Name: Robert Henry Brown
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 May 1871
Birth Place: Cambridge Place, West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Baptism Date: 14 Jun 1871
Baptism Place: Cambridge Place Wesleyan Methodist, West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Father: William Brown
Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 1546294 IT 7-11

OK- so this looks like them in 1911 in Canada. Robert arrived 1907, so must've gone after returning to UK from South Africa. Dorothy/ Doris, Laura and Mary/ Maria arrived in 1909:

Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
Event Place Edmonton Sub-Districts 1-61, Alberta, Canada

Birthplace
Robert Brown Head M 40 England Methodist Farmer
Mary Brown Wife F 40 England
Laura Brown Daughter F 7 Scotland
Dorothy Brown Daughter F 5 South Africa

This is Doris, Laura and Mum going to Canada in Sept 1908:

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Date of Arrival: 28 Sep 1908
Vessel: Kensington
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, Englan

Mary Brown 36 going to husband in Edmonton
Laura Brown 3
Doris Brown 2