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so if all thats correct i should now be looking for any more children of thomas and betty ? and i now have toms father to find william born approx 1775 at a guess ? am i right there and where do i look for 1775

From Neil:

"evie cant thank you enough for your help youve been brilliant i wish i had your talent at finding people your amazing, ok so dose it get hard to find toms father william because of the year?
thanks again neil."


I . hate . private . messages. Put 'em in the thread!

Yes, it gets harder because the earliest census is 1841, and no registration before 1837. So someone born 1770-80ish, which your William, if such he is (or Thomas Sr's father anyhow), would be, just isn't likely to show up in a census, because odds are he was dead by 1841. And baptism records, even if they can be found, are often not enough to distinguish one person from another.

You seem to have a very specific location that isn't overflowing with Whalleys, though, so you may eventually be able to add links to the chain back from Thomas Sr. and Betty Page, if they are yours.

Eventually, FreeREG will have it all.

Right now, for Bury, it has:

Baptisms 18 Dec 1659 WHALLEY James Lancashire Bury Father Surname
Baptisms 02 Mar 1661 WHALLEY Mary Lancashire Bury Father Surname
Baptisms 07 Jan 1665 WHALEY Thom: Lancashire Bury Father Surname
(Father James Whalley, no mother named - there's the problem)

Marriages 12 Feb 1635/36 WHALEY James Lancashire Bur Groom Surname
(St Peter church, married Alice Whitaker)

and no burials.

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

I searched for Whalley, with soundex on, in Lancashire, no dates or given names specified. (You have to do the searches and click to see the details in the records.)

It could be that James who married Alice in 1635 had a son James in the late 1630s, who married in the late 1650s and had the three children shown. It could also be ... many other things. ;)

If we all had great eyesight and 47 hours in the day, we could volunteer to transcribe our parishes for FreeBMD and get the early scoop.

fyi -- do you have census access? -- these are the Whalley households in Bury in 1841:


Sub registration district: Heywood
Thomas Whalley 30 (born 1807-1821)
Martha Whalley 25
John Whalley 5
Ann Whalley 3
Maria Whalley 12
N K 2 Mo


Sub registration district: Heywood
James Whalley 35 (born 1802-1806)
Sarah Whalley 40
William Whalley 14
Mary Whalley 8


Registration district: Haslingden
John Blakey 40
Sarah Blakey 40
Maria Blakey 20
Nancy Varley 20
John Varley 1
> Richs (Richd) Whalley 70 (born 1767-1771, probably roughly) - possibly father-in-law?


Sub registration district: Heywood
David Fitton 35
Maria Fitton 35
Ann Fitton 15
John Fitton 10
Mary Fitton 10
Thomas Fitton 5
James Pearson 15
Betty Pearson 12
Walter Pearson 9
Joseph Pearson 7
> James Whalley 9


In one of my families, all the boys are James and William. In another, they are all Richard, Thomas and Benjamin.

The Whalleys seem to be mostly Thomas and James. ;)

god my brains hurtin lol way to many dates and names cant remember what im called ,

the private message was just a thanks not a secret : } i cant belive your gettin this info so quick, dont understand this one though

Registration district: Haslingden
John Blakey 40
Sarah Blakey 40
Maria Blakey 20
Nancy Varley 20
John Varley 1
> Richs (Richd) Whalley 70 (born 1767-1771, probably roughly) - possibly father-in-law?


father inlaw of who and why

Neil - if you want to wait a couple of days before getting the credit card out I may be going to the Lancs CRO on Friday and I could have a look to see if I can find the parish regs with father's names. Just need to sort out the details from all these pages - as others have said it's moved on at a fair pace - i've only been out a few hours.

nice one annie ( thats my wifes name ) that would be great

I kept meaning to say that! Parish registers are the place to look, if you are nearby or have a helpful Lancashire Ann to do it. ;)

btw, Eva is my grandmother. ;)

5. THOMAS WHALLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 APR 1795 Saint Mary, Bury, Lancashire, England

father william

2. ELISTH PAGE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 05 JUN 1794 Heywood, Lancashire, England

father john

i assume these are my 2 then ? so i need to buy some credits do i buy them on here not sure what im looking at though and where to find it

im going to go to the regestry office instead to get the certs im almost sure they are right

im going for this one

martha whalley marrage samual nuttal (i will ask then to check farthers name (if they will it should be thomas) before i get it

and this one

matha bennion marrage to albert c ward and will ask if they will check same farthers name is on martha mcghee to edmund bennion

is that right ?

o its quiet here today are you lot fed up of me already, right got the certs

martha whalley.............father thomas (yesssss)
sammual nuttall............father john
no addresses just heywood this has to be a match now ?

martha bennion............father james mcghee (deseaced)
albert chatterly ward........father albert ward

had this checked against the marrage of martha mcghee to edmund bennion 1902 same fathers name so definatly the right one

marthas address 23 bridge st where my mum was born
alberts address 18 brunswick st heywood

going to leave the wards for now just want to consentrate on the whalleys whats the next step nplease

neil.

hmmm deleted post whats all that about ?

I think you'll find that people either come to the end of how they can help or move on to help others get started. You've got quite a lot to work on there Neil. Don't burn the midnight oil. See what happens later. I can't help any more because I have limited access to things. Good luck.

no worries cynthia thanks for all your help its really appreciated

neil.

Hope your're ready for this lot Neil!

marriage Thomas Whalley & betty Page 10-4-1814 - Thomas occupation cotton spinner witnesses Thomas Crompton & Thomas Chadwick

1841? HO107/550/10
Betty Whalley 55
Martha 25 reeler
Mary 20 piecer
David 20 card room hand
James 14 piecer
Thomas 11
No father Thomas

baptisms at heywood
25-7-1814 Matty (Whally) d of Thomas & Betty of heywood factory man
4-8-1816 William s of T & B of Wrigley Brook factory man
10-1-1819 Mary (Whaley) d of T & B of Fold spinner
3-8-1823 David b 17-5-1822
1-5-1825 Alice d T & B of Heywood spinner
no more in printed book of Heywood & I think it went up to 1837

Thomas c 5-4-1795 just says father William of Bury

negative info - the William Whalley wd Lower Darwen Feb 1851 not your Wm - found a will but unless he disinherited his family he was a bachelor

ann thanks for the research thats excellent hope you found what you was looking for as well?

this is a coincidence

negative info - the William Whalley wd Lower Darwen Feb 1851 not your Wm - found a will but unless he disinherited his family he was a bachelor

im in contact whith a hot match at the moment for mary whalley 1853 who married thomas walkden the other guy tells me if its the same one they moved to darwen after they was married just a thought wonder if her uncle william went with them ( william b 1816 ) as i havent found a marrage for him yet ? wont know if its the right mary tho till we get the cert can you remember how old he was when he died ?

if there are loads of riches in that will i will make him fit or adopt him lol

thanks ann your a star

regards neil.

The age wasn't mentioned on the probate and I did not take any notes from the will. There is a William death in Darwen on lancs bmd in 1851 which gives a death age of 66 and all the others match freebmd I would guess that was the one so he does not match a birth in 1816. I only looked for wills up to 1858 as those are indexed in a printed book and therefore easy to find, after that it is a case of trawling the fiches unless you know the year of death.

My own research was rather negative but that's the stage I am at these days.

thanks ann