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But i dont know where the name Fisher comes from on her birth certificate.

This is the info i have so far from certs i have.

Ethel Victoria Fisher
Born 15 sept 1905 in Edmonton
Father Walter Isaac Jackson
Mother Jane Elizabeth Jackson formerly Stuckey

Marriage to

James John Moule
7th october 1930 in Edmonton

But on the cert her dad is down with a different middle name
Walter Edward Jackson deceased

And her death

23rd december 1985 in Epping

I dont know where the surname Fisher comes from, can anyone help please.

Ok but Fisher is a surname isnt it. Im trying to find out where its come from.

Is this Jane Elizabeth's birth?

Name: Jane Elizabeth Stuckey
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 183 (click

Hi Rachel,

I dont know i have no more info after my Gt Nan but looks like it could be right. Do you know the parents names from your search?

Sorry i dont think you can find that out till the cert is ordered. If i remember right.

Reg is right, it is probably a surname fromm one of the famililes. For instance I have a John Johnston Davidson, and Johnston turns out to be the maiden name of his grandmother.

Another marriage cert may help:

Marriages Dec 1892
Buckingham Thomas Dalton Islington 1b 738
>>JACKSON Isaac Walter Islington 1b 738
Smith Annie Louisa Islington 1b 738
>>STUCKEY Elizabeth Islington 1b 738
TIPPETT Arthur Islington 1b 738

This cert looks like it may be the one:

Name: Elizabeth Stuckey
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Edmonton
County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 181 (click to

The cert for Jane Elizabeth Stuckey's birth? Not the other you posted above.

This could be Elizabeth and family in 1881

Elizabeth Stucky
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Leah
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 4 Blandford Pl
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Stucky 15
Daniel Stucky 78
Elizabeth Stucky 9
George Stucky 11
James Stucky 55
John Stucky 18
Leah Stucky 43
Thomas Stucky 2
Walter Stucky 3

My first one for Jane Elizabeth Stuckey could be the one - however, the district is Pancras.

The second one I found shows her name the same as when she married and in the same area (district of Edmonton).

Out of the two entries, I would suspect that the second one would be hers given the place of marriage etc but you would have to find this out.

It maybe an idea to get her marriage certificate to find out the name of her father (which will help you to find her on earlier census')

This could be the family in 1891:

Name: Elizabeth Stuckey
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Leah
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, London, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Upper Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Stuckey 10
Elizabeth Stuckey 19 funeral servant
George Stuckey 22
James Stuckey 60
Leah Stuckey 56
Walter Stuckey 14
William Stuckey 2/12

Thankyou Rutland Belle. I wouldnt know what is right or wrong, im not good with the census what so ever.

Rachel thankyou for clearing it up for me so i will ignore the first cert details now. The marriage cert is the 1b 738 reference for both couples who married and i add that and the names when ordering?

This could be Isaac in 1891:

Name: Isaac Jackson
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, London, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Upper Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emma E Blunt 14
Arthur Crary 32
Arthur A E Graham 22
Charlotte S Graham 13
George C Graham 8
James C Graham 19
Sarah Graham 45
Willie Graham 16
Isaac Jackson 19 greengrocer's assistant

Jo,

Start with the facts you know and work backwards from there. You know the names of the people who married and you have a marriage reference, so start off with that. Apply for the marriage certificate and see what information is shown on it - names of their father's, their father's occupation, address at the time of marriage etc and work backwards from there.

Either one of the birth references could be right - but you will need to find the father's name from the marriage certificate first.

Ok Rachel, good thinking, marriage cert first. Thankyou.

Sorry to be a pain but the census searches do they have mistakes.

The 1881 surname is spelt Stucky and the 1891 spelt Stuckey.
Also the father James in 55 in 1881 and then 60 in 1891
The mother Leah is 43 in 1881 and then 56 in 1891 and this is for the St Pancra area where the first birth for a Elizabeth was found and the second birth is for Edmonton area. If i had found this i would of thought the first birth would go with the census searches as same area.
Isaac Jackson census he is living with the Graham family and not his own but dosent have the first name Walter.
Sorry to be a nuisance.

Bump

Jo, first of all the census returns are only as good as the information given to the enumerator at the time. Many people couldn't read or write, so if the householder said his name was Stuckey, the enumerator would have spelt it he way he thought. Another common mis-spelling is for eg Wallace/Wallis. I know because I have them in my tree.

Also many people didn't know how old they actually were, and would say whatever they thought was right. People also lied about their ages (making themselves younger or older as fitted their purpose).

When looking at census returns you must always keep an open mind

Jennifer

Hi Jennifer,

Thankyou for clearing this up for me. I know people lied back then about there age. Talk about make it hard for us when searching lol. When it comes to searching the census i really am useless as dont really understand it all.

Hi,

I got the marriage cert today for my nan's parents, this is what is on the cert.

Isaac Walter Jackson and Elizabeth Stuckey married in Islington on 25th december 1892 both are 21 years old.
Isaac is a carman of 48 Wynford road and Elizabeth living at 15 milton grove.
Isaac's father is Frederick Jackson (deceased) proffesion cotler? and
Elizabeth's father is James Stuckey also deceased was a road labourer.
The witnesses are Alice Stuckey and George Stuckey so maybe the census found is right.

Can anyone help more with this please?

Would there of been a chance the Father's of Isaac and Elizabeth were in the war as im wondering why both deceased, Elizabeth's dad was sill alive in 1891 in census but cant of been in war then as was a road labourer, dont know about Isaac, cant find anything on him yet.