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:) still smiling :) Report 1 May 2008 12:46

hi all,

i am looking for the death of Charles Gannaway. he was born in 1850 in Hampshire. he married Emily Constance Plummer in 1885 and they had five children. he was a ship steward, and other than the 51 and 61 census he never appears on it as far as i can see. certainly not with emily and the children.

i would like to find a death record for him as he seems to simply disappear. in 1915 when his son joined up for ww1 charles was living at red cliff, bournemouth. and in 1917 when his other son died the record on CWGC shows he was living durlston house, swanage. any help to find him on census or death record would be great.

thanks,
Leanne.

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:) still smiling :) Report 1 May 2008 13:14

sorry the children's names were Harry 1886, beatrice and violet (c.1890) Sydney 1891 and Frank R 1895. if this helps at all. i also know from his mc to emily that he was a widower but cannot find his first marriage with a death of the wife before 1885. thanks,
Lee.

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 1 May 2008 13:22

Leanne,

Although he does not appear in later census's have you checked the others too see when or if his wife states herself to be a widow?

Tracey

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:) still smiling :) Report 1 May 2008 13:25

she dies in 1897 aged 38. on the certificate she is stated as "wife of Charles Gannaway- a beer house keeper" first mention of a beer house, on sydneys bc he is down as ship steward. in 1901 children are all split up in census. frank and syd in southampton with mary gannaway who is stated as mother , but i think its them due to ges pob and we beleive charles remarried after emily. harry is an apprenticed jeweler in lambeth. beatrice is down as Beattie ganaway in a girls home and vi is in surbiton with her mothers sister who is louisa burton.

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 1 May 2008 13:25

Births Sep 1850

Gannaway Charles Southampton 7 221

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:) still smiling :) Report 1 May 2008 13:26

thanks soph,

not sure where else to look. i have sydneys mc in 1919 and it doesnot state on there that his father was deceased, although i beleive they didn't have to did they? however his wifes father wqas deceased and she put it down so i would have expected him to say his father was deceased as well.

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 1 May 2008 13:27

This is the first marriage i can find.... but these 2 may not have actually married each other, there are 2 people missing off the 'group'

Marriages Sep 1872

Gannaway Charles Southampton 2c 76a
GROSS Amelia Southampton 2c 76a

But it could well be his first marriage!

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:) still smiling :) Report 1 May 2008 13:30

yes i had thought that perhaps they married but there are a couple of censi later where my charles is missing that he appears with amelia but i checked a death for her and she died 1898. i have looked at marriages for him but none of them that i have found looks like they died before he remarried i suppose it could have been a bigamous marriage though.

thanks to both of you for your help i really appreciate it.

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 1 May 2008 13:32

1851 England Census
about Charles Gannaway
Name: Charles Gannaway
Age: 7 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Southampton St Mary
Town: Southampton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Charles Gannaway 7 Mo
Eliza Gannaway 6
Emma Gannaway 11
Henry Gannaway 39
Henry Gannaway 15
Martha Gannaway 3
Mary Ann Gannaway 37
Thomas Gannaway 8


WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 1 May 2008 13:33

well his other marriage is in london..... perhaps he thought he wouldn't get caught and it was worth the risk?

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:) still smiling :) Report 1 May 2008 13:35

yes i thought it did seem probable, but there are a couple of census' available for amelia and charles but they appear to change ages. first one has charles as 22 which would fit and sencond has him as 42. i have been going round and round in circles on this for a while! thanks to you both.

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 1 May 2008 13:36

.....and Amelia is twice his age in 1871???

Perhaps he thought there was a high chance she was already dead when he married his second wife??

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 1 May 2008 13:38

looking at the image again it could well be he's 32.... which would make his YOB as 1840? lol

We've already got his birth registration as 1850? see below...

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:) still smiling :) Report 1 May 2008 13:39

hmm, he's a toughy.it's with him that the family move to london. i have them back to 1700 in southampton according to IGI i still need to check it but i am in contact with a couple of people who can help to corroborate that. maybe he thought london and southampton were far enough apart that they would never know. and then all of his children are apart in 1901 and according to my grandfather (sydney's son) the children then went to stay with their new stepmother who he thinks was possibly spanish which i thought would make sense if he was a ship steward. but i can't find a marriage afterwards either.

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 1 May 2008 13:40

I think this could well be your Charles???

Births Jun 1839

Gannaway Charles Lymington 8 181


With the 1871 census looking like 32 making his YOB 1839/40 i think the second birth is more likely him....

This would make the other census's fall into place a little better?

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:) still smiling :) Report 1 May 2008 13:40

oh dear it's making my head hurt!

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:) still smiling :) Report 1 May 2008 13:41

i'm not sure, i think the 1850 one is more likely. on his marriage to emily c plummer his age is 35 whish would make sense for an 1850 birth.

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:) still smiling :) Report 1 May 2008 13:42

perhaps the one that married amelia was different. he could be the one born 1839 and mine could be the one born 1850?

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 1 May 2008 13:43

How old was Emily?

Did he lose years to try and make him nearer her age?

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:) still smiling :) Report 1 May 2008 13:44

she was 38 when she died in 1897 so that would make her born 1859. he could have done i suppose but then why not say he was the same age?