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Kath and Janice, if i knew where you lived I would be sending round a big thank you to you both, but as I don't I will have to do it on here.
I have just had a phone call from my mother, she spoke to a member of the family today and he was able to confirm that ----
Eliza Webb married George William Rogers on 3rd May 1905.
You did it ladies, I had been trying for ages and you do it just like that.
Thomas and Eliza (and George) are now reunited with their family where they should be.
Thanks again. Elaine.

Hi Elaine,

I'm glad you managed to confirm that the second marriage I found for Eliza was correct, and thank you for your thanks, lol.

However I think what Janice has been trying to say is - how do you know that the Thomas Webb you have found on all the memorials is "your" Thomas Webb? Is there something on these memorials that link him to your family? I don't want to put a damper on your enthusiasm but you have to have some proof that he is "yours" especially if there are other Thomas Webbs around.

Kath. x

We do know for certain that he is our Thomas.
I am going to get the cert when I next get paid, oh money is such a silly thing. I had some at the begining of the month but what with the boys, the electricity bill and buying my wedding outfit it seems to have disappeared again, but thats life.
The certs will be the final proof, and then I'm off on another hunt, do you ladies know anything about Egypt. I have another thread up trying to find info on a relation who married an Egyptian gentleman and sailed to Egypt.

Did your relation and the Egyptian gentleman marry over here or in Egypt? I know nothing about Egypt, but if they married in England they can probably be found in the index.

Kath. x

You really are hooked, and I'm getting as bad.
Yes we do know a bit about them.
Daisy L Wells 25/11/1898 born Roke Marsh, Benson, Oxford.
Married Sadek Fahmy on 28 /12/1921 in Islington, London.
They sailed to Egypt 5/8/1922
They had a child Nazly, Audrey Fahmy in 1928
We do not know whether it is a boy or a girl.
Waiting for pay day to get cert at this rate all next months money will be gone too
She is the sister of my grandmother, the family lost contact with her or disowned her after she left Eng. We have info on her family but would love to know where or what happened to her.
What is the most interesting story on your tree.

Unfortunately I don't really have any interesting stories. My family were all a bit boring really (which is why I like poking my nose into other people's trees, lol).

Finding my grandfather was the best thing for me. We have an unusual name (KILL), and when he left my grandmother in the 1920's no one knew what had happened to him. I searched and searched for his death but couldn't find it anywhere. Then when I was looking for something unrelated, I found a marriage for his name with the same middle initial as his. This was in a year when he would have been 60 and at the other end of the country from where he had lived. To cut a long story short, I sent for the certificate - it was him, same father's name and occupation. There was an address on the certificate so I contacted Hastings library to see if they would look up electoral registers for me, and a lovely man there called Roger spent the whole of one Saturday looking up things and checking records and found lots of addresses he had lived at, found his and his second wife's obituaries in a local newspaper, worked out from the obituary that he had a daughter (my father's half-sister that he had not known about) and managed to trace her and her husband right up to 1983. The reason I couldn't find his death was because he seemed to switch between spelling his name Kill and Keil.

After that I sent a letter to the newspaper that had carried the obituaries in the 1950's asking if anyone knew his daughter's whereabouts now and lo and behold his daughter was still alive and her sister-in-law emailed me with her address.

We are now in regular contact by letter.

Once I found all this I felt I had done what I first set out to do, and I haven't been seriously researching my tree any more.

Kath. x

With the Herefordshire connection you might like to keep this 1891 census to one side as a possible Thomas Webb
Name: Thomas Webb
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Weston, Herefordshire, England

Civil Parish: Trevethin
Ecclesiastical parish: Abersychan St Thomas
Town: Varteg
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Just reading back though he wouldn't be old enough would he if he was 33 when he died

looking at 1901 census this looks like William's birth index
Name: William Charles Webb
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pontypridd
County: Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 536
and Thomas
Name: Thomas George Webb
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 29
If you are sure the marriage index i posted is the right one then thats ok but if you are not sure then a childs birth cert would give mothers maiden name.
If you haven't got the link for getting certs then this is it
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
cost £7 as you have index details


?? Eliza in 1891 that fits the 1901 census details but just for ref. until you have more detail Name: Eliza Harris
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Welsh Newton, Herefordshire, England

Civil Parish: Usk
Ecclesiastical parish: Usk
Town: Usk
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Good morning, just off to work to earn the money that I do so need, 28 th of the month cannot come soon enough. Will reply better when I have had a chance to read and understand what you have sent, eg when I am awake, Have a good day, Elaine

Hello Ladies,
Kath, I loved your story, what an unusual name, I just adore names but I have never heard that one before, do you know anything about it.
My sister was married by a Rev Rainbow which I think is so nice and I'm being married by a Rev Everest, you don't get much higher than that.
Janice, do you have any interesting stories on your tree
Back to Thomas. I do not think that Janices Thomas fits, sorry. There are so many of them out there.
We still have a large family connection with Welsh Newton, but sadly not any living relatives left there. We wondered how Eliza came to be living there and meeting Mr Rogers but it makes sense if she was born there and still had family there who would be able to help her with the little boys.
My Dave is coming down for a few days next week, Welsh Newton is not very far from here, it is by Monmouth, so weather permitting I might suggest that we go for a ride out there and visit the church and see if we can find anything. That would be such fun. And I would certainly love to be able to tell you both something for a change.
I am going to Daves over the weekend and he is using a different family tree site and has free access to the census so we will make good use of that too.
I have been contacted by a chap that thinks our Thomas might be the same but I think his comes from Cheltenham, which is where I thought mine might have been from in the first place.
Red herrings get in the way too much.
Elaine

I don't really know anything about my maiden name KILL. I only know that our family live in the north east of England and have always thought we were the only Kill's around as we had never heard of another family with the name. It was only once I started researching and trying to find my grandfather that we found out his family came from Wiltshire and that there are loads of Kill's in Wiltshire and Hampshire. Apparently there are even more in America. We really couldn't believe it as we always thought we were unique, lol. On checking census records I found my grandfather was one of 12 children, but because he left his family when my father was young, we never knew anything about his family in the south.

Hope you have a good time visiting the area your ancestors come from. I spent a lovely few days in Wiltshire about 5 years ago visiting the place my grandfather was born - a beautiful little one lane village with thatched houses and the inn that was there at the time he was born in 1881. It was so special, especially as at that time we hadn't found out what had happened to him.

Kath. x

Well Kath its a small world i live in Wiltshire!
Elaine i wonder if his Thomas (Cheltenham )is the one i found.
Well i have had fun with my dads family .Grandparents didn't marry and we had a mix of surnames ,some with hers some his and some both!

You are lucky Janice - Wiltshire is a beautiful place. My grandfather came from Stockton in the Wylie Valley. Strangely we live in the Borough of Stockton in Teesside.

Kath. x

I live in Warminster about 9miles from there ,sometimes take the back road to Salisbury through the villages

The family ended up in Warminster. The registrar at Warminster Register Office was really helpful when I first started out looking for family members. He would check parents names to make sure they were the correct names before sending out certificates (which some registrar's won't do without you paying for the certificate first).

Kath. x p.s. Sorry Elaine, for hijacking your thread a little bit.

Ladies, please feel free to hijack it as much as you like, you have both deserved it.
I have been contacted again by the chap that is wondering if our Thomas are the same.
He has a friend that is a proffessional researcher and he has found the date and church where Thomas and Eliza were married in Cardiff.
Talk about coincidences.
I do think that it is Eliza trying to send a message after I gave her a talking to but the date is the date of my second sons birthday
Eldest son Thomas,
second son same date, different year of course.
I'm a great believer in coincidences.
Elaine

I believe in coincidences too Elaine. It's surprising how many relatives on my tree share the same birth date/marriage date even though a hundred or more years between. And names from generations ago that we didn't know anything about until recently crop up in the present day generation all the time. There must be something in it.

Kath. x

Put Egypt on hold for now,
how are you with southern Ireland
Harriet Tracey born 1856,
ran away from her father
Francis Tracey born 1822
and his wife Mary.
They were running a whiskey distillery just outside Dublin.
She ran away to marry
Frederick John Lancaster born 1855.
Parents Jonathan and Ann Lancaster both born 1822.
Him from Earl Stoke in Wiltshire and
her from Warwickshire,
Harriet and Frederick married on 23/4/1875
in st Peter and Pauls church Aston Birmingham.
Because she ran off with him and he was a protestent she was cut off without a penny.
We know a lot about the Lancasters, and their large family.
We know that Harriet had brothers and sisters
Mary 1847
George 1849
Ellen 1853 and
Thomas 1857
We think that her parents may have married between 1838 and 1843.
Her father became a saddle tree maker.
We do not know anything else about them and we have been told that info from Ireland is hard to find.
Just another story from my past.
I have a few more for you yet, Elaine

We all have connections to Wiltshire, another coincidence

Going away for the weekend ladies.
I think that Dave is checking me out through my tree before we get married.
He has over 100 on his tree and i have now reached 200, so when they merge we will need a big piece of paper to print it all off.
I know that kath said that she wasn't looking so hard for her family now but how many are on your trees ladies.
Do you have any Lancasters from Wiltshire, that would be a coincidence.
Talk to you again when I get back.
Have a good weekend and takle care.