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Hello Verity,
The world is a small place.

Aunty Flo was Elizas daughter, after she married George Rogers.
My sister often went to stay with Aunty Flo.

Do you think you might have a connection to Carole, as she has different Webbs to me.

I am on a new track now,
there has always been a story in the family that a member of the family won caps playing rugby for Wales.
I was looking at a site for Abertillary and found a bit about Jim Webb, Rugby player.
His full name is Alfred James Webb
Date of birth 1st July 1878
Place of birth, Coleford, Gloucester
Now Thomas had a brother called Alfred and they were born about the same time.
I am now trying to find out it they are the same person.
If so that would make him Aunty Flos uncle.

I think it would make a lovely end to Thomas story if it was so.

Elaine

Hello Elaine,
I have just found this thread and have been most interested in the development of your research of the Webb/Rogers. I have to admit that I have nothing to add that will further your family tree, but I haven't before found anyone on this site who has ties to Welsh Newton. So I have read and re-read to see if there could be any connection with "my" Webbs, but none that I can see. My G Grandmother was Lucy Webb and was born in Bledington in Gloucestershire. She married George Fryer and they lived in Monmouth. One of their grandsons, Alfred Fryer, was my father and I was born on Welsh Newton Common. Dad is buried in Welsh Newton churchyard and we made the long trip from Australia to place mum's ashes in his grave three years ago. Gave me goosepimples to read that you had visited there. During that visit I learned from relatives that there is a connection with the Rogers who lived in the area. I can't remember now how that connection came about but it was a Tunnicliffe relation who told me about it. the only Rogers I can remember was Florrie, she was the postlady and lived on Welsh Newton Common.
Sorry for the hijack but I have found it very interesting with your Webb and Rogers connections at Welsh Newton.
Good luck with your research.
Verity.

Sorry been busy on the garden yes its Erlestoke. Have you googled the names it may give you more info about the places.

Beat you all to it,
I looked at a map and they are all very close to Swindon,
Does anyone go on a honeymoon to Swindon?
Noone had told me that I have spelt Earl Stoke wrong, according to my map it has not got an A, is that correct?
Going to correct spelling mistakes now, Elaine

More Wiltshire place names
Ramsbury
Bushton
Kington St Michaels
Lydiard Tregoze
Swindon
Wooton Bassett
Winterbourne Bassett
Osbourne St George
West Garston
There seem to be a lot from Lydiard Tregoze
Do any of these places still exsist apart from Swindon.
Are they all in the same area, geography quiz now, you have passed the history test.
Bye Elaine

Hello,
Last bit Thomas Webb, son of Charles and Sarah, born 8 oct 1869
At Berry Hill, West Dean
I think we have him now.
I will definatly be coming to Wiltshire as both sides of the family come from there I think I must be related to most of Wiltshire.
Earl Stoke
Broad Hinton
Clyffe Pypard
Compton Bassett
West Lavington
Hilmarton
Little Hinton
Wroughton
I really must get a map and find out where they all are.
Broad Hinton seems to be the main place though.
Gardening again, its coming on nicely apart from the fact that I have a repetative strain injury from it all.
Take care, Elaine

Thanks Elaine for the update glad to hear you have found him.If you get to Wiltshire sometime i hope you enjoy the area
Janice

Ladies, if you are still there, an update,
George, has been so helpful.
He has managed to find Thomas, it seems that he was living with his grandparents when he was born.
He had nine brothers and sisters.
George has also been able to go back another four generations.
I think that now Thomas is reunited with all of his family he may stay found this time.
I have visited the church where Eliza was baptised and the one where she is buried.
I have seen Thomas brother William's grave.
All I need to do now is to meet up with her great grandson, George
Thank you all so very much for the interest that you have shown in Thomas and for all of the help that you have given,
Elaine

Carole, We know his marriage cert details but so far they have been of no help at all.
Date 3 july 1897
Father Charles, a collier, living in 22 Harper St Cardiff.
Thomas 27 born 1870.


As so many of the family come from Wiltshire it would be silly not to have a holiday there and connect up as many people and places as we can,
This years holiday fully booked with sons new baby due and of course a honeymoon, but I will try to put it on the calendar for next year.


Arthur, better known as George, has given me a lot of dates and names for Elizas family which I have added


Managed to get some more of the garden dug today, so bath and get ready for work tomorrow, who knows what it might bring

Well Wiltshires a nice place to visit (but then i do live there**)

Hello Ladies,
there aren't enough hours in a day or days in a week any more, what with work, wedding preperations, Dave wanting the garden sorted for when he moves here in October - I'm trying to do that, the children and my favourite new hobby.
Update Arthur did get in contact, lovely man and he is Elizas and Georges grandson.
I have also been contacted by another member of that side of the family but sadly none of them know anything about Thomas
I was then contacted by a lady and her great grandmother and my great great grandfather were brother and sister, it is all very exciting.
I have found out that both sides of the family started out (as far back as I have got ) from Wiltshire. I really will have to visit there wont I.
Carole, thank you for your kind offer, as you might have gathered I'm very new to all this, I only started at the begining of the month.
I have not been to the RO yet, most of my information so far has come from old family diaries and certs.
I don't really need any Webb marriages from Hereford as most of them came from Oxford, except dear Thomas and he was married in Cardiff.
The ones earlier than Thomas would be hard to find as we have no names to go on.
I would be very interested in visiting the RO, time allowing, Where is it please?
Going hunting again after tea, I wonder what I might find !

Hello Carole,
I live very near to Madley and a good part of the family come from Welsh Newton.
My father is still a Webb and worked on a large country estate, on the other side of the hill was another family of Webbs, we often got people confused .
My grandfather was William, born 9/4/1898,
his brother was Thomas George, born 10/3/1900
Their father, Thomas, is the one we cannot find, there are just so many of them and as soon as you think you have one something changes or they are not on the original census, very strange family.
I wonder if our Webbs are related at all, especially the Welsh Newton ones.
Such a simple name but so frustrating.

I have been reading your entries and replies on the Webb saga, and have to add that I was a Webb and all of my Webb's came from the Hereford area.
I havn't pursued that side of the family for a few years...had decided to have a bash at my Mum's family for a change or book in to the nearest asylum !!

As you have noticed, the same names are passed from family to family and there are absolutely loads of Thomas, Charles, William etc. in this area.

My Webb's started in the Dilwyn area in the late 1600's...from there to Newton St. Margarets, Monmouth, Welsh Newton and dispersed literally everywhere.

I had a Gt.Grandfather Thomas Webb b in Madley,
who moved to Monmouth after his marriage, but his wife's name was Martha. They had two sons born in the Monmouth area - George Thomas b 1897 & William Charles b 1900 + four daughters, one being my Grandmother. They could be related to your little lot !

I think that George married in the Cardiff area, had twin girls, joined the RAF and was killed abroad. Havn't done any research on him.

I could go on and on...............so you now see that us Webb's are quite a challenging family to research !

Happy Hunting
Carole

I have to share this with you both as it made me laugh.
My dear great grandmother, who i have been so worried about, as she had to work so hard to bring up two small boys on her own after she was widowed
She married George on 3 may 1905.
Mary Ellen was born in 1905,
how good is your maths
I think I can stop worrying about her as she must have had a shoulder to cry on, don't you think.
I think we can forgive her, she did have at least 9 children.
She made me laugh anyway, even worse, last night I said that i took after her !!

thank you, perhaps he just is not ment to be found, if we stop looking I expect he will appear.
Yes it is the right match as they are all relations to George Rogers but as I said the owner is not interested in the Webb side of the tree so his info may be wrong again
No reply to the other match, and to date I can see that we have at least 7 names in common. He may be the missing link we are looking for, fingers crossed
If he doesn't want to share then it is up to him but to me that is part of the fun.
Before you say it, I know he may be at work or on holiday etc and I will have to wait.
I have sent a message and had a reply from my exbrother in law. My husband left me when I was three months pregnant and has never had any contact with his two sons since that day, and the youngest is coming up 17. I do hope the brother in law will give me some info to put on for the boys as I think they have a right to know something about that side of the family.
Going to check messages.

Hi Elaine,

Glad you had a good weekend and found some information about your ancestors.

Just wanted to say that on the 1891 census there are only two Thomas Webb's with a connection to West Dean and they are both married. One born c.1840 and the other c.1862.

Are you certain that the match you have is for the correct Thomas?

Kath. x

Another funny story from the tree
C.T 1853, went with his wife C,1845 to America
They had some children and then his wife died.
He found a new wife, considerably younger than himself, A, 1877, they had a baby. then she ran away with a laundry manager, leaving her child behind, she never saw her again but they both died on exactly the same day and year.
We have some naughty ones in the family, a neice ran away with her aunts husband,
I'm being good and not naming names, you never know who might be reading this.
Back to serious, last night I found out that dads cousin had died in the second world war, in India, his name was Charles Webb, he was Thomas Webbs grandson.
I had always believed that we were a lucky family as we had not lost anyone in the wars but last night I was told about poor Charles, he was so young, like a lot of them.
I class he ones that didn't make it home as lost parts of a tree because they should have been at home raising families.
Enough somber, I'll go and hunt up some more funny stories

How did I manage the last few days without being on here.
I have been looking at the tree matches today after putting Elizas children up and I have found a family connection.
He has a lot of info on Elizas George, the Rogers, so I have been able to add that.
Sadly he isn't interested in Thomas but says he might have some scribbled notes somewhere,
He has on his tree that Thomas came from West Dean, yet another different place.
It is no wonder he was classed as missing in action as he is so good at hiding he is proberly still out there.
Waiting for another reply that has two name matches and they all come from Welsh Newton, so I'm still not giving up, I'll find him yet.

Hi Elaine glad you are back and have had some luck with the family.Can't do any searches tonight Ancestry won't open!

Whoops I forgot to say thank you for the Lancaster information but they are easier to find than Thomas, thanks again.