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I have been trying to find birth records, marriage records etc of the following family located on the 1911 census. And after many months can find no other records what so ever apart from the 1911 census.

Address 26 Redvers Street, Hoxton, London.
Rose Gold (c1879) age 32 (married 15 years, a domestic, born Bethnal Green. Along with the following children Ethel Gold (c1898) age 13, born Bethnal Green. Sophia Gold (c1902) age 9, born shoreditch. Harry Gold (who I believe was my grandfather) (c1903) age 8, born Shoreditch and John Gold (c1910) age 1, born Shoreditch.

I believe I found Rose Gold's husband Joseph Gold also on the 1911 census as working as a potman / servant at 117 / 177 Hoxton Street, Shoreditch, London. The census states his age as being 42 (c1869), married for 15 years with four children.

With regards to my grandfather Harry Gold (1903) there has always been a mystery surrounding him, and it has said the family could have been Gould, Goold or something similar.

Any little help and advice would be much appreciated even if it only locating Joseph (1869), wife Rose (1879) and daughter Ethel Gold (1898) on the 1901 census.

Thanks you George!

I wonder if this is Ethel's birth

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Rose Ethel Gould Name: Rose Ethel Gould
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Bethnal Green
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 200

Only one I can see

Marriages Mar 1897

BROWNE Charlotte Susannah Liverpool 8b 269
>>>Gold Joseph Liverpool 8b 269
McGuines James Liverpool 8b 269
McGuiness James Liverpool 8b 269
>>>Rosenstein Rosa Liverpool 8b 269

Not mother Rose...

Name: Rose Ethel Gould
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1897
Baptism Date: 31 Jan 1897
Father's name: Alfred Gould
Mother's name: Susanna Eliza Maud Gould
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St Bartholomew
Borough: Tower Hamlets

and maybe Sophia

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Esther Sophia Gould Name: Esther Sophia Gould
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Mile End Old Town
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 432

or ....


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Marriages Dec 1895

Allport William W. Bromwich 6b 1338
Gould Joseph W. Bromwich 6b 1338
James Margaret W. Bromwich 6b 1338
Phipps Rosena W. Bromwich 6b 1338

Name: Esther Sophia Gould
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1903
Baptism Date: 5 Aug 1903
Father's name: William Gould...Printers Lab
Mother's name: Esther Gould
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Faith
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Who ,when and where did your grandfather marry please?
Do you have his marriage cert for his fathers details and possible witnesses being a family member..

That is a big gap between children on the 1911,wonder if Rose is only saying she is wife of 15 yrs for respectability...

GOLD, Rose Wife Married
15 years F 32 1879 Domestic Bethnal Green
GOLD, Ethel Daughter F 13 1898 School Bethnal Green
GOLD, Sophia Daughter F 9 1902 School Shoreditch
GOLD, Harry Son M 8 1903 Shoreditch
GOLD, John Son M 1 1910 Shoreditch

Registration District:
Shoreditch

Address:
26 Redvers St Hoxton County:
London

6 children born ...2 died.

Thank you very Temptest, Mike and FannyByGaslight. I will explore the information you have supplied. regards..

Name: Harry Gold
Spouse Surname: Glossop...Lilian
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1931
Registration district: Shoreditch
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 215

This marriage is grandfather I believe...Do you have the cert for his fathers name and occupation please.

My grandfather Harry Gold (a fish fryer) (26) married Lilian Louisa Glossop (printers assistant) (18) on the 5th of May 1931 at Shoreditch register office.

Their address was given as 35 Ivy Street. Fathers names were stated as Joseph Gold (a carpenter) and Richard John Glossop (a travelling trunck coverer).

The marriage was conducted in the presence of Florence Maud Glossop (my grt grandmother) and J Gold (possibly my grt grandfather.

With thanks....

Births Mar 1902
Gold Harry Stepney 1c 382

Have you checked out this cert with fathers name against fathers name on Harrys marriage cert?

If his father is given as Joseph and mother you say is Florence,then why are Rose for his mother on 1911 please..

No i have not do you think i should invest?

I would,just to rule him it out if nothing else...You may get lucky...

Sorry..Got me Glossops and Gold mothers mixed up there...Do you have where and when your grandad died please?Was it after 1969?

Do you have any names for his siblings for sure?

I don't know why we are looking at William for Harry's father. I said that I found 1911 census with name Joseph Gold as working a few minutes from Redvers Street where Rose and family were found to be living.

Florence would have been Harry (my grandfather) Gold's mother in law.

I have added those baptisms so they can be ruled out..

If your grandfather Harry died after 1969 then his exact date of birth should be on his death ref..

Joseph Gold passed away December 22nd 1938 aged 70, And a Rosina Harriett Gold passed away October 10th 1941, aged 63.

Their son Harry Gold (my grandfather) died on the 27th January1988 at 12 Friern Watch Avenue, N12. His death certificate states that he was born 9th Oct 1903, Hoxton, Hackney. The informants name was Derek Joseph Gold, his son, my mothers brother.

Does dieing after 1969 have any significants? Getting the Glossop and Gold mothers mixed up was funny.

I have been told by Derek that for sure his dad (Harry Gold 1903) had a Brother called John who went on to marry??? (who swore that his name was gould, goold or something similar) And that there was a Rose Gold who married a Tommy??? who could have been the illigimate child of Ethel or Rose??

With thanks

Death certs before 1969 only has an age the person was when they died, death certs after 1969 have the full birth date as given by the informant if they know it (although sometimes there are errors)

The reason I wanted when and where he was born was to get his exact date of bith from his death ref..But you have now given it..
9th Oct is probably certain as most people get their date right,but year can be out,as was my own grandfathers.He always said he was born sept 25th 1901,but was born in 1902 really..
So now we know we are looking for a bith in the last quarter of a year..

I will be back later ,I want to do some searching again now..

Fan.

My grandparents died in 1969 but grandfathers d.o.b is wrong because he had lied about his age all his life

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