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Violet's school log is very interesting. Maybe there is one for my dad, Herbert Dooley? He went to Oxclose School in Mansfield Woodhouse.

I will apply for information from the National School Admission Registers & Log Books for Mansfield Woodhouse and see what happens.

Thanks for these entries. They are my family.

First name(s) Florence Annie
Last name Dooley
Gender Female
Birth year 1891
Birth place -
Baptism year 1891
Baptism date 1891
Residence Wilnecote and Castle Liberty, Warwickshire, England
Place Wilnecote And Castle Liberty
County Warwickshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Father's last name Dooley
Mother's first name(s) Fanny
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain.

think this is Florence baptism.
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?Violets school log.


Violet
Last name Dooley
Birth year 1896
Birth date 21 Feb 1896
Event year 1907
School name Clowne Board Mixed & Boys School
Town Clowne
County Derbyshire
Country England
Parent name(s) Joseph Dooley
Book type Admissions
Archive reference D4748_5_2
Folio / page no. -
Archive Derbyshire Record Office
Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914
Category Education & work
Subcategory Schools & education
Collections from Great Britain

The family was C of E. Their parish church was St. Edmunds. Nottinghamshire archives, who have all the parish records, looked it up for me, but nothing there. I find that strange because I'm pretty sure dad was christened. She was a churchgoer in those days and was married at St. Edmunds.

It will have to be Mansfield register office that you will need to contact.

That birth I posted of Foster/Dooley....the nearest marriage of those two names is 1897..would 20 years of marrriage still produce a child as late as 1917.?...and not in the area of that birth,

Out of interest was the family RC or CofE.?as a local church WM may have his baptism.

I'll get in touch with my Mansfield Woodhouse Mabbott connection to see what she can do. I'm also on the Mansfield Woodhouse Facebook group list, so can ask someone there to do a check at the local register office.

After all this searching over the years, I'm coming to the conclusion that she just didn't register his birth, although she was so nervous of authority, and she would have know that she had to register him by law, that I just find it hard to believe that she just flouted the law like that.

Thanks for all your help. I'll certainly post on here if I find out anything.

Madeleine

Could have been but your dads name that he was known by isnt in the UK GRO birth indexes,,,,,as Whitfiled.WHitefiled or Mabbott or Dooley.and all I can think of what may have happend one already is listed that you have details of and somehow H Dooley has been missed off by a quirk of fate,or that the local register office missed it off their register quartley returns register that they had to send under the care of the General Registrar then based in London under the care of Somerset House.

If you are sure that he was born in Mansfield Woodhouse then the local register office maybe able to do a search if you explain the situation.,,,,,a late June birth would possibly be found in the quarter of July/Sept...or even the Oct/Dec but none is listed to be him or even into early 1918.unless Florence used a whole new set of surnames.

The 1917 Foster/Dooley birth from the previous page,no local marriage to that birth the nearest is in 1897 so 1917 is 20 years later?.

We know that when Fanny died in 1908 after giving birth to Sidney, Florence (my grandmother) was 17 years old and had to begin looking after all the family including the new baby. My dad was born 9 years later after she'd been married to William Mabbott for two years. So Sidney was only 9 when my dad was born.

I have two letters from an eye witness who went to school with my dad. Her mother was a great friend of Fanny's and lent a hand to Florrie, as they called my grandma, when grandma had to take over the family. They were extremely poor and couldn't move away. Everyone knew about my out of wedlock father's birth and new it was a soldier who was responsible.

Years later when my dad was 8, my grandmother's sisters, who had escaped to Birmingham, moved to Leeds and got her to go with them. Grandma, my dad, Uncle Sidney, and great grandad, Joseph Dooley, all moved together.

My question has always been whether or not Lt. H. Whitfield who was at Clipstone Army Camp at the relevant time was from Leeds and if my grandmother moved there and took his name because she was hoping they'd get together permanently.

I dont know Madeleine but it was posted against the birth registration of Florence A Dooley.!!1891.someone has made the connection to Dooley and Titterton so maybe its your contact.?

I dont see any reason for Florence not to have registered Herberts birth and keep her name a secret as to keep it from family,,,,,,, as her father,brother were with her in 1939,,,,perhaps Florence wasnt his birth parent and he was taken in by the family.?

Could Sidney be his unwed father?was he the son of Florences father?

I'll check out the Hubert L. Mabbott/Winifred Whitfield information with my own Mabbott connection still in Mansfield Woodhouse. She might know about them. It's an amazing coincidence that a Mabbott married a Whitfield given the circumstances of my own family! I'll definitely look into it.

Fanny Titterton was actually my great grandmother's maiden name. My great grandmother was born Fanny Titterton but married Joseph Dooley. She died in 1908 after childbirth. I think she was in her forties. At one point I was in contact with a John Titterton who still live in the Cheshire area of the Titterton family. I think it was Cheshire. I didn't make the FreeBMD entry. So another relative of mine then?

You could contact GRO at Southport as they hold the BDM returns from register offices.but Dooley is the name you would have to be looked into as they wouldnt be able to look at every entry under evey other surname.
There is a chance his birth reg has been missed off when the indexing was done,

I saw a marriage in 1929 reg Leeds of,

Hubert L Mabbott to a Winifred Whitfield.!!I dont know how widespread these surnames were then but an odd combination that also links into your grandmother life.

This is the postem from freebdm.....date 2013.



The following corrections have been suggested: Quarter: Jun , Associate Name: Fanny Titterton , Age at Death: 86 . The source given for this is: This woman was my grandmother.

Hi Kay,

I've no idea what the JG is next to my grandmother's name. If it's not some sort of genealogical shorthand notation, then I don't know.

I don't think I put anything on FreeBMD, but I suppose I could have years ago. I just don't remember.

I contacted the GRO to find Herbert's birth cert., but they sent me the wrong one. I haven't had any other contact with them. I hadn't heard of the public registers or that the transcriptions were done by hand from a ledger. Can I just write and ask them to check?

Hi Madeleine.

Yes the full transcription can be viewed but its on a pay for credits system and costs 60 credits to view just one household.......60 credits @ £6-95.! at Findmypast.co.uk.

Choccy has put the address findings above with, Father,Brother,herself and Herbert.

I wonder what the J G stood for against Florences name?

She was born in 1891.

Madeleine have you at some point out a postem on FreeBDM regarding Florence?

Have you contacted the GRO to ask if Herberts birth has been missed off in the transcriptions from the actual public registers which at the time of transcribing onto fiche,,,,,,,,. were taken,they are very large ledgers,,,it was all done manually so quite easy to miss some out.plus there is also another Herbert Dooley at the same time.

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007


Name: Sidney Dooley

Birth Date: 28 Dec 1908

Date of Registration: Apr 1985

Age at Death: 76

Registration district: Leeds

Inferred County: Yorkshire

Volume: 5

Page: 654

1939 Register on FMP

Ebberston Terrace

Joseph Dooley 1862 Leeds C.B. Yorkshire (West Riding)

Sidney Dooley 1908 Leeds C.B. Yorkshire (West Riding)

Florence J G (A) Whitfield 1891 Leeds C.B. Yorkshire (West Riding)

Herbert Whitfield 1917 Leeds C.B. Yorkshire (West Riding)

Hi Kay,

This is my family if they were living in Leeds. Which register is this? Can I access it online?
My grandmother, Florence A. Whitfield was living in Leeds with my father, Herbert (b. 1917) and her father, Joseph Dooley. They were living at #5 Ebberston Terrace, Leeds 6.

Thanks for find this.
Madeleine

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION (PREVIEW)
WhitfieldHousehold
Leeds C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) BIRTH YEAR
Herbert Whitfield 1917.

Florence J G (A) Whitfield and 1 more person are on this record
1 more person who is officially closed.

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http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Deaths Dec 1918

Broadhead Albert S 1 Basford 7b 542



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Albert R Broadhead

Birth Date: abt 1917

Date of Registration: Dec 1918

Age at Death: 1

Registration district: Basford

Inferred County: Nottinghamshire

Volume: 7b

Page: 542

(looks like Albert E Broadhead on original)

First name(s) ALBERT E
Last name BROADHEAD
Birth year 1917
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name DOOLEY
District BASFORD
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 453
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain.

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I'm in regular contact with William Mabbott's great niece, who gave me copies of all the Wm. Mabbott army documents. He had been regular army and was a drill sergeant in the 14/18 war at some point. He was single in 1914, but married April 7, 1915. He was then in France.
The gossip that my grandmother, née Dooley, got pregnant with a soldier, was told to me by a woman who went to primary school with my dad. Her mother was friendly with the Dooleys. That's all we know.
Since my grandmother took the name Whitfield when she moved to Leeds in 1923, I reckoned that she would have taken the name of my dad's father and that he lived in Leeds. My father had a recollection of a man coming to visit them who drove a car and he thought that was his dad. He was told the man was a travelling salesman, but that could have been just a story.
I looked for soldiers named Whitfield near Mansfield Woodhouse during the War, and came up with a Lt. H. Whitfield based at Clipstone Camp in 1916. He became regular army after the war, but I couldn't get any military records about him that would give his address or any other information. This is the dead end I've reached. If I could find out info about Lt. H. Whitfield, I'd know if he was a likely candidate.
Long winded, but all the details I have.
Thanks, Madeleine

Bill, the marriage looks correct:

Name: Florence A Dooley
Spouse: Mabbott
Marriage: Apr 1915 - Mansfield, Nottinghamshire