Military Chat

Thanks Gritty, I am indebted to you. I was on the way there having found the record on Findmypast which gave his birth as 1891 in Old Brompton, Chatham, Kent. That branch of my family will be delighted. When they asked me to help they knew Lilian Silvie had been married twice but had no idea to whom as the boys were brought up with the surname of their stepfather.

Many thanks to all who have helped me.

Sue

O.k. Thanks for that Gritty.

I thought I was missing something - which doesn't take much these days, lol.

Kath. x

I think Susan means the one that mgnv found, is the one that died in 1918- which is not hers.

The military record for him on FMP states he was born Old Brompton, Chatham, and was a fishmonger on enlistment.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Green's Court, 41, Wood Street, Gillingham, Medway, Kent, England

Joseph Barratt Head Married Male 58 1843 Dyd Labourer Westminster, Middlesex,
Sarah F Barratt Wife Married Female 43 1858 - Gravesend, Kent, England
Anthony J Barratt Son Single Male 17 1884 Coalmerchants Errand Boy Brompton, Kent, England
Minnie S Barratt Daughter Single Female 14 1887 - Gillingham, Kent,
Joseph J Barratt Son - Male 12 1889 - New Brompton, Kent,
Charles Barratt Son - Male 9 1892 - Brompton, Kent, England
Basil Barratt Son - Male 6 1895 - Brompton, Kent, England
Violet M Barratt Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Brompton, Kent, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Manor Street, Gillingham, Medway, Kent, England

Joseph Barrett Head Married Male 39 1852 General Labourer Middlesex, England
Sarah F Barrett Wife Married Female 32 1859 - Gravesend, Kent, England
Anthony J Barrett Son - Male 6 1885 - Kent, England
Minnie S Barrett Daughter - Female 4 1887 - Gillingham, Kent, England
Joseph J Barrett Son - Male 1 1890 - Kent, England
John Hook Lodger Married Male 53 1838 General Labourer Maidstone, Kent,
Marion M Hook Lodger Single Female 11 1880 - Kent, England

Susan

I don't understand what you are saying. You say you have found him and he is the one who died of wounds in 1918, but earlier you said he married for a second time in 1926? This must be two different people surely.

Kath. x

Thanks mgnv, I have found him. He is the one who died of wounds in 1918. Born Lilley, Berkshire, enlisted at Reading, Died 13 Apr 1918, France and Flanders.
C Q M S Grenadier Guards 4th Battalion.

I found one Charles Barrett b 1888+/-2, s/o Joseph in 1901, viz:

Name Parent or spouse names Birth Year Birth Place Relation to Head Residence
Joseph Barrett Ellen abt 1855 city, Berkshire, England info city, Berkshire
Ellen Barrett Joseph abt 1848 city, Berkshire, England info city, Berkshire
William Barrett Joseph,Ellen abt 1883 city, Berkshire, England info city, Berkshire
Charles Barrett Joseph,Ellen abt 1888 city, Berkshire, England info city, Berkshire
Constance E Barrett Joseph,Ellen abt 1891 city, Berkshire, England info city, Berkshire

Reference: RG 13/1137/34/8
Registration District: WANTAGE
Registration Sub-District: Ilsley
Civil Parish, Township or Place:
... Catmore ...


However, http://www.1901censusonline.com/ doesn't give the occup Chas names 16 y later:

Name Age Where born Administrative county Civil parish Occupation
Joseph Barrett 46 Berks Lilly Catmore Berks Catmore Entire Ordinary Agricultural Labourer

Maybe I should have tried 1891 or allowed variant spellings of Barrett.

How often does it happen that one asks for help and things seem to happen? I have looked at Findmypast many times while looking for this man and decided this evening to have one more try!! There is the record of his army service starting in 1909 and completing 21 years in 1930. He re-engaged in 1919 and joined the Tank Corps. That is probably how he met his second wife who he married at Wareham in 1926. I still don't know where he was born but he joined up in Old Brompton, Chatham, Kent so that seems a good place to start.

Many thanks for all your replies. Kathleen has the marriages right and MarieCeleste thanks for the link. I am absolutely useless when it comes to National Archives and just go round and round getting cross. Something to do with age I suspect.
I have looked at Medal Rolls without much luck. There are so many Charles Barretts. The only one I have found with a father Joseph was born in Berkshire and killed in 1918.

The marriage that Kathleen posted would fit with the divorce on this link:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8039553

Susan, if you're able to go to Kew you could look at the divorce record there. Otherwise you can request a quotation to have the record copied and sent to you. There may just be some clues.

Just for our information is this his marriage:-

First name(s) CHARLES
Last name BARRETT
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1917
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ CHARLES BARRETT married
LILIAN S WEST
Spouse's last name WEST
District GUILDFORD
District number -
County Surrey
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 191

and his wife's re-marriage? :-

First name(s) LILIAN S
Last name BARRETT
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1927
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ LILIAN S BARRETT married
DAVID H BLUNDEN
Spouse's last name BLUNDEN
District GUILDFORD
District number -
County Surrey
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 183

Kath. x

Several possible Medal Cards on Ancestry for Charles Barrett - machine gun corp

Have you checked those out

Who did he marry?

Who were the witnesses to the marriage? Were they family members?

Kath. x

I am looking for the above soldier. All I know about him is from the record of his marriage in April 1917 when he gave his age as 28, his rank or profession as soldier, his residence as 2 Cadet Battalion Machine gun Corps, Pirbright and his father's name as Joseph Barrett, fitter's mate. When his first child was born his occupation was given as Sergeant in the 6th Rifle Brigade.
When his wife remarried in 1927 it was stated that she had obtained a divorce from Charles Barrett. I don't know where or when he was born and cannot find his military records.