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No, she didn’t. Hence my earlier post with question marks

Her only response is the one on the thread

You’ve not mentioned before that you pm’d Karen :-S

Did she answer you and confirm what she was hoping for?

In my PM, I did ask her to clarify her request :-S :-S :-S :-S

We don’t know that as Karen still hasn’t said whether she was after the English or Irish results that you found.

So my assumption that you wanted ENGLISH records was correct????

Thank you so much everyone. Some i did know, but there are things here i didnt. Much appreciated.

Martin Cleary on 1911 census was bugging me, as he isn't on 1901 with Patrick's family................................

1901 Census
Residents of a house 5 in Curraghadoey (Garrymore, Mayo)
Cleary Michael 75 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Mayo Farmer Cannot read and write Irish and English Married -
Cleary Honor 65 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Mayo - Cannot read and write Irish and English Married -
Cleary John 27 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Mayo Farmers Son Read and write Irish and English Not Married -
Cleary Willie 22 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Mayo Farmers Son Read and write Irish and English Not Married -
Cleary Martin 9 Male Grand Son Roman Catholic Co Mayo Scholar Read and write - Not Married -


POSSIBLE

Name Martin Cleary
Birth Date 1893
Death Date Oct 1962
Event Type Burial
Event Place Mulrany, , County Mayo, Ireland
Cemetery Murrevaugh Cemetery


AND..........................

Name Michael Cleary
Age 83
Birth Year (Estimated) 1825
Event Type Death Registration
Event Date from Oct 1908 to Dec 1908
Event Place Claremorris, County Mayo, Ireland
Page Number 91
Volume Number 4

Name Honor Cleary
Age 76
Birth Year (Estimated) 1835
Event Type Death Registration
Event Date from Jan 1911 to Mar 1911
Event Place Claremorris, County Mayo, Ireland
Page Number 101
Volume Number 4

As Karen is a daughter of Frank and Catherine, a lot of the info above must already be known to her. :-0 :-0

Mary Winifred re-married in 1950 to a Robert Briggs, and she died in 1987

ADDED 14.41

Deaths 1987 (>99%)
BRIGGS MARY WINIFRED 29JY1913 TRAFFORD 39 1771

Her son Thomas A Atkinson, born 04/10/1934 is an open record on 1939 register, so his death must have been picked up - or notified.

She also had a son with Briggs……record on freebmd

ADDED 14.57

1939 Register
82 Jersey Street, Manchester, Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England

Winifred (Mary Winifred) Briggs (Atkinson) 29 Jul 1913 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 24 1
Thomas Atkinson 04 Oct 1934 Male At School Single 24 2

A tree on Ancestry claims to have this family's details, but most of it is rubbish (The 'owner' is American)

Suggestions ONLY - need verifying

Name Patrick Cleary
Death Age 49
Birth Date abt 1912]
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun 1961
Registration district Salford
Inferred County Lancashire
Volume 10f
Page 450

Name Rose Cleary
Death Age 90
Birth Date 10 Jun 1890
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec 1980
Registration district Trafford
Inferred County Greater Manchester
Volume 39
Page 1966
DoB doesn't match 1939, but there is a lot of uncertainty about dates etc in the records submitted by the family

Name Thomas Cleary
Death Age 53
Birth Date abt 1916]
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar 1969
Registration district Manchester
Inferred County Lancashire
Volume 10e
Page 26

1901 census
Residents of a house 20 in Cuilmore (Caraun, Mayo)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Where born Occupation Literacy Marital status
Cleary Patt 45 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Mayo Farmer Read and write Ir and English Married -
Cleary Ellen 44 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Mayo Farmer Read and write English Married -
Cleary William 19 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Mayo Farmers Son Read and write English Not Married -
Cleary Michl 18 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Mayo Farmers Son Read and write English Not Married -
Cleary Patt 15 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Mayo Farmers Son Read and write English Not Married -
Cleary Thomas 13 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Mayo Scholar Read and write English Not Married -
Cleary Mary 11 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Mayo Scholar Read and write English Not Married -
Cleary Anne 9 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Mayo Scholar Read and write English Not Married


1911 Census
Residents of a house 30 in Cuilmore (Caraun, Mayo)
Cleary Patrick 56 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Mayo Co Farmer Read and write Irish and English Married - - - -
Cleary Ellen 58 Female Wife Roman Catholic Mayo Co - Read Irish and English Married - 13 - -
Cleary Martin 18 Male Son Roman Catholic Mayo Co Farmer's Son Read and write Irish and English Single - - - -
Cleary Annie 20 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Mayo County - Read and write Irish and English Single

Ellen is the second wife. They have been married 13 years, and have had no children


Party 1 Name ELLEN DONNELLON
Party 2 Name PATRICK CLEARY
Date of Event 03 November 1897
Group Registration ID 2320600
SR District/Reg Area Claremorris
Patrick is a Widower, father Michael, still living.
Ellen is a Spinster, father Patrick, deceased


Name WILLIAM CLEARY
Date of Birth 01/12/1881
Group Registration ID 10741222
SR District/Reg Area Claremorris
Father Pat Cleary
Mother Winifred, nee Walsh

First wife's death??????

Name WINIFRED CLEARY
Date of Death 01 June 1895
Group Registration ID 4037946
SR District/Reg Area Claremorris
Deceased Age at Death 33

Another example of why people should be clear in what they are asking for and to add ALL the relative information.

Spouse Rose Garvey
Father Patrick "Patt" Cleary
Mother Winefred Walsh
Children Catherine Anna
Birth 1 Dec 1881 Mayo, Ireland
Death Apr 1974 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Residence 31 Mar 1901 Cuilmore, Leitrim, Ireland

The above is from a tree on Ancestry, which is not entirely accurate, if 1939 Register has correct DoB. and Cuilmore is NOT in Leitrim

Why mention the English-born wife and children if they are not relevant to the enquiry?

The 1901 and 1911 Irish censuses are FREE TO ALL online

As Karen has put Cleary family County Mayo surely it means she is looking for the Irish relatives :-S

Karen - have you tried looking for Irish records - which are known to be difficult.

The Cleary/Garvey marriage certificate should give you the name and occupation of William’s father. This could be vital information of finding the right family.

Catherine is in at least 4 trees other than yours..............try to get in touch with 'owners'

Her first husband.........also in GR trees

Name Frank Connah
Death Age 72
Birth Date 23 Jun 1913
Registration Date Oct 1985
Registration district Trafford
Inferred County Greater Manchester
Volume 39
Page 1917

Marriages Dec 1947 (>99%)
Cleary Catherine A Connah Bucklow 10a 271
Connah Frank Cleary Bucklow 10a 271

Three children...............look at:

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Births Mar 1948 (>99%)
Connah Thomas P Cleary Bucklow 10a 262

Sadly

Deaths Mar 1964 (>99%)
CONNAH THOMAS P 15 BARTON 10B 263

Births Sep 1949 (>99%)
Connah Steven F Cleary Bucklow 10a 201

Name Stephen Frank Connah
Death Age 46
Birth Date 9 Sep 1949
Registration Date Jun 1996
Registration district Exeter
Inferred County Devon
Register Number C52F
District and Subdistrict 4081C
Entry Number 235

‘Winnie’

Marriages Sep 1934 (>99%)
Atkinson Albert Cleary Bucklow 8a 717
Cleary Mary W Atkinson Bucklow 8a 717

Look for offspring on freebmd

1939 Register
22 Sefton Crescent, Sale, Sale M.B., Cheshire, England

William Cleary 24 Dec 1880 Male Plasterer Labourer Heavy Married 230 1
Rose Cleary 15 Jul 1890 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 230 2
Patrick Cleary 16 Aug 1911 Male Plasterer - Heavy Worker Single 230 3
Thomas Cleary 28 Jan 1915 Male Plasterer - Heavy Worker Single 230 4
William Cleary 16 May 1910 Male Page Boy Single 230 5
The record for this person is officially closed.

Have submitted correction re William junior's birth year.

Closed record is probably Catherine

To find living connections on here, put names in 'Search all member trees' and if someone has any of them, try making contact

1921 Census Of England & Wales
22, Chapel Road, Sale, Cheshire, England
William Cleary Head Male 1881 40 Ireland General Labourer Metropolitan Vickers
Rose Cleary Wife Female 1890 30 Sale, Cheshire, England - -
Patrick Cleary Son Male 1911 9 Sale, Cheshire, England - -
Thomas Cleary Son Male 1915 6 Sale, Cheshire, England - -
William Cleary Son Male 1920 1 Sale, Cheshire, England - -
Winifred Cleary Daughter Female 1913 7 Sale, Cheshire, England -

Looking at freebmd, it seems that the last of the children was born in 1926

Look for marriages etc using their correct birth names………not nicknames or diminutives.