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Hi, I really don't go on here very often, but looked by chance today. I would need to do a bit of research into my trees, but I have Taylors, Tofts & Shaws all from the Manchester region in my tree, along with Perkins - do you have any of those?

I don't think we are talking about the same families, but there is always a slim chance, and it is fun, after all, to try and make connections.

I will have a look at my people and see if any of your names connect to any of mine.

Happy Sunday

Thank you very much Erika.The marriage year of Mona and Edward was a clerical error and then I put Broadbent for Dougjas's wife when it is actually Janet Ogden's maiden name of course.
I shall order Charlotte's D/Cert and will now start bring proactive on the site for my own research.
You and others in this thread have been stars and my family members who knew May are intrigued and grateful for the knowledge so far gleaned.
May will now have a place in our own family history as she was such an important part of it.
Thank You
David :-)

Sorry, David, but no-one connected is likely to see your post

Be pro-active - start looking for connections yourself.

Several corrections need to be made to your summary, David.

I haven't time to check it all at the moment (and anyway you can double-check the details yourself from the records posted on this thread) , but for starters:

Edward and Mona married in 1930, not 1939.

Douglas married Margaret Weldon, not Margaret Broadbent.

"It is quite possible that Mona Ogden, as she then was, cared for and brought up May" - - - May was living with her father in 1939, when she was 18/19, so wasn't estranged from her birth family until after that. Of course, for all we know, the Taylor and Ogden families may perhaps already have known each other, when May was younger.


"Their mother, Charlotte died in 6/1921 aged 39 about 3 months after May’s birth" -

No, not necessarily.
Charlotte's death record says June 1921 - but that just means her death was registered some time in the April/May/June quarter of 1921. She could have died at any time between May's birth and the end of June. You'd need to buy the death cert to know the exact date of death.
I know May was born in March, but her birth wasn't registered until at least 1st April, and the same may have applied to Charlotte's death:

For reference:
Births Jun 1921 (>99%)
Taylor May (mms Toft) Oldham 8d 1309

Thank You Again Everyone for your invaluable research.I've learned a lot from you.

I would just now to add a complete update to my initial post showing what information has been achieved.

David. :-)


OF POSSIBLE INTEREST TO Surnames TAYLOR,TOFT and OGDEN probably in the Oldham and Middleton areas.


Concerning MAY TAYLOR)spinster) b.Oldham 24/3/1921 d.Oldham 4/1998,aged 77 yrs.
My ‘Aunty’ May was ‘adopted’ by my family in the early 1950’s and remained a much loved person until her death in 1998.
She rarely if ever spoke of her own family,the only information I gleaned was from herself when I was including her in my first family tree,at the tender age of 8 . Subsequent recent information came from Oldham Council Burial Records,and some good research help from Genes Reunited researchers.
I would be pleased if anyone might be interested in this information that would perhaps help in their own research.
For me,it would show that she wouldn’t be forgotten as might happen when I and others of my generation pass away.

At first I thought that May Taylor was born to EDWARD TAYLOR (1903-1940 (buried 27/4/40-record no.6142 at Lees Cemetery, Thomas Street,Oldham-Grave No. 2C94 and:
MONA TAYLOR (nee OGDEN) 1902-1953 buried 31/3/53-record no. 7472 at Lees Cemetery in the same grave as above.
Mona and Edward married in 1939 at Christ Church,Glodwick,Oldham.
Both addresses at death stated as 60 New Earth Street,Lees,Oldham
It is not known if Mona and Edward had any offspring,or from their previous marriages if indeed they had been married previously to others……

EDWARD ,according to 1911 census when he was 8 lived with his father Henry Taylor b.1873 and mother Sarah –not researched yet..There were 5 other siblings and address was 40 Brunlees,Hollinwood,Oldham.

It is probable that I assumed they were May’s parents because I distinctly remember aged about 9 years old,visiting their grave at Lees.Cemetery in the early 60’s with May,possibly on a Mothers’ Day remembrance mission .
Buried in the same grave also are:
JOHN EDWARD OGDEN 1872-1910 (38 yrs.) -Mona’s father
JANET OGDEN (1874-1947 (73 yrs.)-Mona’s mother.
I Always assumed these were May’s maternal grandparents i.e. Mona’s parents .

Janet Ogden’s maiden name was BROADBENT.Janet and John Edward married in 1896. and they had two known offspring i.e.MONA born 24/12/1902 and WILLIE b.1907.

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Now ,May Taylor’s actual parents were found to be JOHN WILLIAM TAYLOR b.1881 at Whitworth,Rochdale and CHARLOTTE ANN TAYLOR nee TOFT b.1882.
They married in 1905 and had three known offspring:
NELLIE TAYLOR b.14/8/1905
DOUGLAS TAYLOR b. 2/8/1915
And MAY TAYLOR b.24/3/1921. –the subject of my enquiry..
Their mother,Charlotte died in 6/1921 aged 39 about 3 months after May’s birth ,possibly as a result of that childbirth.
Later developments.

It is quite possible that Mona Ogden, as she then was, cared for and brought up May with the support of the Ogdens,her parents, from then onwards as she,Mona would be a young childless but unmarried woman of 19 at that time….That may be the reason why there is that ‘maternal’ connection between May and Mona. I feel that that connection between May and Mona must have been strong for May to take flowers to Mona’s grave.,like a real daughter would do for her mother.


NELLIE TAYLOR b.14/8/1905 - married Harry SCHOFIELD in 1926.She died on 16/7/83 aged 77 latterly living in Barton Road,Swinton,Gtr.Manchester.Any descendants not yet researched,but of course they would be May’s nephews or nieces.
In 1939 Nellie was recorded living with her husband Harold at 261 Boarshaw Road,Middleton.No children.

DOUGLAS TAYLOR b.2/8/1915.
By 1939 Douglas was working for a Middleton Drink Bottling concern and was living at 89 Green Lane,Boarshaw,Middleton.

The information about Nellie and Douglas ties in with the snippets I gleaned all those years ago,namely,that she had a sister,and certainly a brother called Douglas,and also joked that she was a Middleton Moonraker’,the local name for a person born there,as indeed so was I. It was nice to know we had something in common. Once ,during the school holidays May and I were on a bus trip at my grandma’s in Oldham.Passing through Middleton and the end of Hilton Fold Lane which leads into Boarshaw,she actually mentioned that she had a connection with that area.. I have an excellent memory thankfully and remember details such as that going back 60 years or so.
Douglas married Margaret BROADBENT b.9/10/17. In 1937.They had two sons born 1941 and 1947,believed to still be living in that area.One of them may have married in 1964 and the other in 1969. They would of course be May’s nephews.
Douglas died in 10/87 aged 72 years ,whilst Margaret died in 2001 aged 83 years ,in Kettering,Northants?

Researchers on Genes Reunited researchers told me that in 1939 May ,aged 18,and her widowed father were living in Middleton.May’s occupation was stated as Unpaid Domestic Worker.Later on she worked at the Avro factory in Chadderton,probably recruited for the war effort.,

May was taken in by my widowed maternal grandmother Ivy Shaw, nee Winterbottom,(1900-1992) of Middleton Road,Westwood Oldham,when I think they both worked together at Avro’s,Chadderton.This was probably in 1953 after May’s ‘mother’ Mona had died and May perhaps was living back in Lees looking after her mother.I say ‘mother’ in inverted commas because I now think she looked upon Mona and Edward Taylor as if they were real parents, maybe because there was a Taylor family connection perhaps,although it could be just coincidental as Taylor is a fairly common name.


Prior to that my own maternal grandmother Ivy had lived in Wellyhole Street,Lees so I’m not sure if my grandmother knew the Ogden’s/Taylor’s of Lees previous to that.
May became a good companion to my longtime widowed when young grandmother but was more like a daughter or a sister to her,and of course a much loved ‘aunty’ to us.
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For whatever reasons,sadly there was to be no further contact between May and her family since that time in the mid 1950’s….

Two GR members have in their trees a Douglas Taylor born 1915 in Oldham.

BUT......................there were two births in Oldham for the name in 1915, so their entries may be the other birth.

The only way to try to find out is to send a contact message.

No-one is likely to contact you, I'm afraid.............

Douglas was born in 1915...................................

Thank You for that.
I feel sure that you have verified Douglas Taylor born 1939.The address of Green Lane ,.Middleton was the giveaway as during the 1960's May pointed out to me whilst we were on a bus, the end of a road which leads to that road saying something like that's where she used to live or had a connection with that area.Dougie was certainly alive then as she would have mentioned it otherwise.
May never had any contact with Douglas or any member of her family until her death in 1998.
As I said in my initial post she was a much loved 'Auntie in our family and perhaps the only one who knew Mays backstory would have been my grandma Ivy Shaw,the workmate of May who gave her a home and took her in.becoming companions to her and part of our wider family until her death.So she did find some happiness.
None of Mays relatives came to the cremation but then they would probably not have known of her passing.As I said there was never any known contact from anybody in her family.

Out in the countryside, making the most of the late summer sunshine!

I wondered where you were, ErikaH!

Nice work, AG

Just proves the value of research.

I couldn't pursue the matter yesterday - otherwise engaged

May's sister Nellie's marriage:

Nellie Taylor
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Nellie Taylor
Registration Date: Jul 1926
[Aug 1926]
[Sep 1926]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Oldham
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Harold Schofield
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 2067


Nellie Taylor
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: Nellie Taylor
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 20
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1906
Marriage Date: 10 Jul 1926
Marriage Place: Tonge cum Alkrington, St Michael, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Tonge-c-Alkrington
Father: John William Taylor
Spouse: Harold Schofield
Reference Number: L148
Archive Roll: 636




Nellie Schofield
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Nellie Schofield
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 14 Aug 1905
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 261 Boarshaw (?) Road
Residence Place: Middleton, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Roving frame Tenter (Cotton)
Line Number: 21
Schedule Number: 6
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: NWAP
Borough: Middleton
Registration District: 467/1
Inferred Spouse: Harold Schofield
Household Members:
Name
Harold Schofield
Nellie Schofield

No children with them in 1939.

There are various Schofield/Taylor births in Lancashire in the years after 1939, including two in Oldham in the 1940s, but I can't say if they're Nellie's children or not.

Nellie Schofield
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Nellie Schofield
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: 14 Aug 1905
Registration Date: Jul 1983
[Aug 1983]
[Sep 1983]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Manchester
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Volume: 38
Page: 0653


Nellie Schofield
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: Nellie Schofield
Death Date: 16 Jul 1983
Death Place: Swinton Manchester
Probate Date: 16 Nov 1983
Probate Registry: Manchester
Ref: 832116244H

Home address at death: 73 Barton Road, Swinton, Manchester.
Assets: £263690.

Her Will might name family members as beneficiaries.
You can buy a copy of it here:
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

If the 1939 record posted above for Douglas is the right one, then this is his death:

Douglas Taylor
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Douglas Taylor
Death Age: 72
Birth Date: 2 Aug 1915
Registration Date: Oct 1987
Registration District: Manchester
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Volume: 38
Page: 784


and possibly Margaret's death:

Margaret Taylor
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Margaret Taylor
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: 9 Oct 1917
Registration Date: Jul 2001
Registration District: Kettering
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Register Number: A61D
District and Subdistrict: 6691A
Entry Number: 251

Going back to your opening query - looking for May's living relatives.

Her brother Douglas was born 1915, as already posted.
When May spoke about her brother, did you get the impression that he was alive at that time - 1960s?

This looks as if it should be him in 1939, with his wife:

Douglas Taylor
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Douglas Taylor
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 2 Aug 1915
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 89 Green Lane
Residence Place: Middleton, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Beert Sottline Stores General Labourer [" Beer bottling" on image]
Line Number: 3
Schedule Number: 74
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: NWAQ
Borough: Middleton
Registration District: 467/1
Inferred Spouse: Margaret Taylor
Household Members:
Name
Douglas Taylor
Margaret Taylor - 9 Oct 1917



and his marriage:

Douglas Taylor
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Douglas Taylor
Registration Date: Jul 1937
[Aug 1937]
[Sep 1937]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Middleton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Margaret Weldon
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 2032


They had two sons, born in Middleton, in 1941 and 1947.
I'm not posting the details are they may well still be alive, but you can easily find them on FreeBMD.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Just enter both parents' surnames in a birth search.

Unfortunately, both sons have such common names with no helpful middle initials, that it's hard, if not impossible, to trace them in later life, on Electoral Rolls, for instance..

The older son may perhaps have married in Middleton in 1964.
His wife's surname isn't an unusual one, so it's hard to know if any of the many Lancashire births after 1964 are their children or not.

The younger son may have married in Middleton in 1969.
His wife's surname is more unusual.
If so, there are three possible births of children, in Oldham, 1971, 1983, and 1985.
But also others in other places in Lancashire and elsewhere.

I can't see definite later records of any of the Oldham children, as the names aren't unusual enough.

Thanks to All for your research and thoughts.
May 'sDOB definitely 24th March 1921.

May left the New Earth St.address in Lees probably after the death of her 'mother'' Mona in 1953 -the timeline is correct as she was given a home by my maternal grandma about that time when they both worked at Avros in Chadderton during that decade.
Interesting to know Charlotte was her real mum.
I can well believe she treated Edward and Mona as her real parents hence the visit tIo Lee's Cemetery with me in tow about 1960 to lay flowers and clean up the grave.I have a very strong memory of doing that aged 10 or so in 1960.

If her DOB was definitely 24/3 /21, then she was the daughter of John William Taylor and Charlotte Ann Toft.

You said she was estranged from the Taylors.
Maybe that means her birth family - and not Edward and Mona ??

Maybe Edward and Mona had been like "parents" to her??
Her birth mother had died when May was born, by the look of it. (Or soon after).

HI Yes I was wrong my AuntyMay Taylor's birth date WAS 24th March 1921 and not the 23rd.
Yes I attended her cremation at Hollinwood Crem in April 1998.
Yes I DEFINITELYvisited Lees Cemetery with May about 1960 to put flowers on her mother's grave.
Cemetery records show both Edward and Mona 's grave as 2C94 and also buried there are a John Edward Ogden 1872-1910 and Janet Ogden1884-1947 so they are Mona Taylor's Nee Ogden mum and dad.
Where did I get the TOFT connection?.I must be wrong.
'Re Middleton is correct as I remember May and myself joking about the fact that we were both Middleton Moonrakers-the local name for anyone born there,as I was.So that info is correct.
I do certainly remember she had mentioned to me when I was a precocious kid of 10 doing his first family tree,that she had a brother called Dougie who I feel reasonably sure had the surname Taylor,like her.

Edward Taylor
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: Edward Taylor
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 30
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1900
Marriage Date: 16 Aug 1930
Marriage Place: Glodwick, Christ Church, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Glodwick
Father: Henry Taylor
Spouse: Mana Ogden
Reference Number: L47/2/2/5
Archive Roll: 549

Mona's father: John Edward Ogden, deceased
Mona's address: 60 New South Street..


Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
BROADBENT Janet Oldham 8d 1021
Ogden John Edward Oldham 8d 1021


OGDEN, MONA mms BROADBENT
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 658


Edward Taylor
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Edward Taylor
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 40 Brunlees Hollinwood Om
Occupation: School
Registration District: Oldham
Registration District Number: 469
Sub-registration District: Oldham South
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Piece: 24508
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Taylor 38
Sarah Taylor 38
Mellie Taylor 16
Thomas Henry Taylor 14
Emanuel Taylor 13
Edward Taylor 10
Annie Taylor 5
Clarah Taylor 2

Erika mentioned that Janet and Mona were at the same address in 1911 as in 1939 - and I see now that it is the address you gave in your opening post:

Mona Odgen
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Mona Odgen
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 60 New Earth Street Oldham
Occupation: School
Registration District: Oldham
Registration District Number: 469
Sub-registration District: Oldham East
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Piece: 24465
Household Members:
Name Age
Janet Odgen 37
Mona Odgen 8
Willie Odgen 5

Thinking about the Taylor/Toft couple above , who had the son Douglas in 1915 -

this is the May Taylor who died in 1998 (incidentally, DOB 24/3/21, not 23/3/21 as you've said):



May Taylor
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: May Taylor
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 24 Mar 1921
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 184
Residence Place: Middleton, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 43
Schedule Number: 179
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: NWBG
Borough: Middleton
Registration District: 467/1
Household Members:
Name
John W Taylor - widowed, 7 June 1881
May Taylor


Her death:

May Taylor
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: May Taylor
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: 24 Mar 1921
Registration Date: Apr 1998
Registration District: Oldham
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Register Number: OC37B
District and Subdistrict: 0071C
Entry Number: 110


Her mother Charlotte Ann's death ?? Possibly in childbirth???

Deaths Jun 1921 (>99%)
Taylor Charlotte A 38 Oldham 8d 778


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John William Taylor
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John William Taylor
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Withaworth Nr Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 34 Regent St Oldham Lanc
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Stripper And Grinder
Registration District: Oldham
Registration District Number: 469
Sub-registration District: Oldham East
ED, institution, or vessel: 03
Piece: 24441
Household Members:
Name Age
John William Taylor 29
Charlotte Ann Taylor 28
Nellie Taylor 5


TAYLOR, NELLIE mms TOFT
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 647



Nellie Taylor
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
Name: Nellie Taylor
Age: 0
Birth Date: 14 Aug 1905
Baptism Date: 1 Oct 1905
Baptism Place: Oldham, St Stephen and All Martyrs, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: St Stephen & All Martyrs, Oldham
Father: John William Taylor
Mother: Charlotte Ann Taylor
Reference Number: L228
Item Number: 4
Archive Roll: 633


So it seems that either you have the wrong birth and death dates for your May - or it's even more complicated than we thought!