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David
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20 Sep 2020 15:57 |
Looking for relatives of my 'Auntie' MAY TAYLOR, 23/3/1921 ,died 4/1998.
Daughter of Edward TAYLOR 1900-1940 and Mona Taylor (nee TOFT) 1903-1953.
All lived in New Earth Street,Lees,Oldham until early 1950's. Possibly at least one sibling-Douglas Taylor.
May was estranged from the Taylors and became a much loved 'adopted' member of our Shaw/Smith family. I would like to pass on her story to any of her interested family ,before we too pass on into genealogical history....... :-( :-S
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ErikaH
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20 Sep 2020 16:00 |
Look for her name in ‘Search all member trees’. If she is recorded, send a message to the tree owner
Unlikely in the extreme that anyone connected will happen to see your post Hardly anybody uses these boards
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ErikaH
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20 Sep 2020 16:08 |
If you have the correct info for the mother, it’s unlikely that Douglas was her child - she’d have been 12 when he was born.
Can’t see ANY info on freebmd for Mona Toft born c1903, and that includes any possible marriage
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ErikaH
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20 Sep 2020 16:12 |
In 1939 Mona Taylor - married, DOB 24/12/1902 - was living at 60 New Earth street, Oldham with one other person - Janet Ogden , born 1873 - a widow.
No closed records - which one would expect to find if she had children
There is a birth for Mona Ogden to fit the info re: Mona Taylor
Mona Ogden married Edward Taylor in 1930
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David
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20 Sep 2020 16:14 |
Thank You ErikaH. Shame no-one uses these boards much then..... I will try your suggestion but I suspect people don't know she ever existed or completely forgotten about for those 50 or so years so I don't hold out much hope.
I just wanted any living relatives or their descendants to know she existed and had a life.......
Thank you once more.
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David
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20 Sep 2020 16:20 |
Hi again.Just seen your updates. I know Auntie May always said she had a brother Dougie though. I was aware that the widow Ogden lived in Lees too,but as you will know so many unconnected people lived at any one address in those times. And there was so much illegitimacy. I do know May's parents are as stated as I visited thir grave with her in Lees Cemy.about 1960. Regards David
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ErikaH
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20 Sep 2020 16:31 |
Do you have her birth cert?
You can easily check what I’ve said by looking at freebmd
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ErikaH
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20 Sep 2020 16:35 |
Mona Taylor was Janet Ogden’s daughter - see 1911 census, where they are at the same address as 1939
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David
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20 Sep 2020 16:59 |
Erika. Can I just ask you about why you say Douglas can not have been a sibling of Auntie May as Mona would have been only 12 when he was born I don't know anything about Douglas so did you find him and what year was he born.
Looks like Mona might have had May illegitimately in 1921 when she was 18/19.
Wonder if Janet Ogden had a son who 'married' Mona and had May and who could have been May's real father,and not Edward Taylor as he and Mona didn't marry until 1930 as you told me,when May would be 9.. Mona and Edward Taylor might then have had other kids including a Douglas?
Then again this widow Ogden sounds well suspicious ;-) ! Who knows she might well be May's real mother as she would be 48 when she had her- rare at that age butjust possible in those days? So much conjecture.....I'm going to give it a rest for a while now :-D Thanks for replying.
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ErikaH
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20 Sep 2020 17:14 |
Do you know about the website freebmd?
Use it to look for info.
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ArgyllGran
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20 Sep 2020 19:37 |
As Erika said - Mona would only have been 12 when this Douglas below was born.
Births Sep 1915 (>99%) Taylor Douglas (mms Toft) Oldham 8d 954
EDIT: He's likely the child of this couple:
Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%) TAYLOR John William Oldham 8d 1047 TOFT Charlotte Ann Oldham 8d 1047
John William Taylor in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 Name: John William Taylor Gender: Male Marriage Age: 24 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1881 Marriage Date: 10 Jun 1905 Marriage Place: Oldham, St Stephen and All Martyrs, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: S Stephen, Oldham Father: Timothy Taylor Spouse: Charlotte Ann Toft Reference Number: L228 Archive Roll: 633
Douglas Taylor in the Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915 Name: Douglas Taylor Age: 0 Birth Date: 2 Aug 1915 Baptism Date: 19 Sep 1915 Baptism Place: Oldham, St Stephen and All Martyrs, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: S Stephen, Oldham Father: John William Taylor Mother: Charlotte Ann Taylor Reference Number: L228 Item Number: 4 Archive Roll: 633
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ArgyllGran
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20 Sep 2020 20:43 |
Thinking about the Taylor/Toft couple above , who had the son Douglas in 1915 -
this is the May Taylor who died in 1998 (incidentally, DOB 24/3/21, not 23/3/21 as you've said):
May Taylor in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: May Taylor Gender: Female Marital status: Single Birth Date: 24 Mar 1921 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 184 Residence Place: Middleton, Lancashire, England Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties Line Number: 43 Schedule Number: 179 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: NWBG Borough: Middleton Registration District: 467/1 Household Members: Name John W Taylor - widowed, 7 June 1881 May Taylor
Her death:
May Taylor in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: May Taylor Death Age: 77 Birth Date: 24 Mar 1921 Registration Date: Apr 1998 Registration District: Oldham Inferred County: Greater Manchester Register Number: OC37B District and Subdistrict: 0071C Entry Number: 110
Her mother Charlotte Ann's death ?? Possibly in childbirth???
Deaths Jun 1921 (>99%) Taylor Charlotte A 38 Oldham 8d 778
?? John William Taylor in the 1911 England Census Name: John William Taylor Age in 1911: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Withaworth Nr Rochdale, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Oldham County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 34 Regent St Oldham Lanc Marital status: Married Occupation: Stripper And Grinder Registration District: Oldham Registration District Number: 469 Sub-registration District: Oldham East ED, institution, or vessel: 03 Piece: 24441 Household Members: Name Age John William Taylor 29 Charlotte Ann Taylor 28 Nellie Taylor 5
TAYLOR, NELLIE mms TOFT GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 647
Nellie Taylor in the Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915 Name: Nellie Taylor Age: 0 Birth Date: 14 Aug 1905 Baptism Date: 1 Oct 1905 Baptism Place: Oldham, St Stephen and All Martyrs, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: St Stephen & All Martyrs, Oldham Father: John William Taylor Mother: Charlotte Ann Taylor Reference Number: L228 Item Number: 4 Archive Roll: 633
So it seems that either you have the wrong birth and death dates for your May - or it's even more complicated than we thought!
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ArgyllGran
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20 Sep 2020 21:16 |
Erika mentioned that Janet and Mona were at the same address in 1911 as in 1939 - and I see now that it is the address you gave in your opening post:
Mona Odgen in the 1911 England Census Name: Mona Odgen Age in 1911: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Oldham County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 60 New Earth Street Oldham Occupation: School Registration District: Oldham Registration District Number: 469 Sub-registration District: Oldham East ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Piece: 24465 Household Members: Name Age Janet Odgen 37 Mona Odgen 8 Willie Odgen 5
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ArgyllGran
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20 Sep 2020 21:31 |
Edward Taylor in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 Name: Edward Taylor Gender: Male Marriage Age: 30 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1900 Marriage Date: 16 Aug 1930 Marriage Place: Glodwick, Christ Church, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: Glodwick Father: Henry Taylor Spouse: Mana Ogden Reference Number: L47/2/2/5 Archive Roll: 549
Mona's father: John Edward Ogden, deceased Mona's address: 60 New South Street..
Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%) BROADBENT Janet Oldham 8d 1021 Ogden John Edward Oldham 8d 1021
OGDEN, MONA mms BROADBENT GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 658
Edward Taylor in the 1911 England Census Name: Edward Taylor Age in 1911: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Birth Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Oldham County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 40 Brunlees Hollinwood Om Occupation: School Registration District: Oldham Registration District Number: 469 Sub-registration District: Oldham South ED, institution, or vessel: 09 Piece: 24508 Household Members: Name Age Henry Taylor 38 Sarah Taylor 38 Mellie Taylor 16 Thomas Henry Taylor 14 Emanuel Taylor 13 Edward Taylor 10 Annie Taylor 5 Clarah Taylor 2
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David
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20 Sep 2020 21:34 |
HI Yes I was wrong my AuntyMay Taylor's birth date WAS 24th March 1921 and not the 23rd. Yes I attended her cremation at Hollinwood Crem in April 1998. Yes I DEFINITELYvisited Lees Cemetery with May about 1960 to put flowers on her mother's grave. Cemetery records show both Edward and Mona 's grave as 2C94 and also buried there are a John Edward Ogden 1872-1910 and Janet Ogden1884-1947 so they are Mona Taylor's Nee Ogden mum and dad. Where did I get the TOFT connection?.I must be wrong. 'Re Middleton is correct as I remember May and myself joking about the fact that we were both Middleton Moonrakers-the local name for anyone born there,as I was.So that info is correct. I do certainly remember she had mentioned to me when I was a precocious kid of 10 doing his first family tree,that she had a brother called Dougie who I feel reasonably sure had the surname Taylor,like her.
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ArgyllGran
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20 Sep 2020 21:51 |
If her DOB was definitely 24/3 /21, then she was the daughter of John William Taylor and Charlotte Ann Toft.
You said she was estranged from the Taylors. Maybe that means her birth family - and not Edward and Mona ??
Maybe Edward and Mona had been like "parents" to her?? Her birth mother had died when May was born, by the look of it. (Or soon after).
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David
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21 Sep 2020 06:48 |
Thanks to All for your research and thoughts. May 'sDOB definitely 24th March 1921.
May left the New Earth St.address in Lees probably after the death of her 'mother'' Mona in 1953 -the timeline is correct as she was given a home by my maternal grandma about that time when they both worked at Avros in Chadderton during that decade. Interesting to know Charlotte was her real mum. I can well believe she treated Edward and Mona as her real parents hence the visit tIo Lee's Cemetery with me in tow about 1960 to lay flowers and clean up the grave.I have a very strong memory of doing that aged 10 or so in 1960.
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ArgyllGran
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21 Sep 2020 10:11 |
Going back to your opening query - looking for May's living relatives.
Her brother Douglas was born 1915, as already posted. When May spoke about her brother, did you get the impression that he was alive at that time - 1960s?
This looks as if it should be him in 1939, with his wife:
Douglas Taylor in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Douglas Taylor Gender: Male Marital status: Married Birth Date: 2 Aug 1915 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 89 Green Lane Residence Place: Middleton, Lancashire, England Occupation: Beert Sottline Stores General Labourer [" Beer bottling" on image] Line Number: 3 Schedule Number: 74 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: NWAQ Borough: Middleton Registration District: 467/1 Inferred Spouse: Margaret Taylor Household Members: Name Douglas Taylor Margaret Taylor - 9 Oct 1917
and his marriage:
Douglas Taylor in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Douglas Taylor Registration Date: Jul 1937 [Aug 1937] [Sep 1937] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Middleton Inferred County: Lancashire Spouse: Margaret Weldon Volume Number: 8d Page Number: 2032
They had two sons, born in Middleton, in 1941 and 1947. I'm not posting the details are they may well still be alive, but you can easily find them on FreeBMD. https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Just enter both parents' surnames in a birth search.
Unfortunately, both sons have such common names with no helpful middle initials, that it's hard, if not impossible, to trace them in later life, on Electoral Rolls, for instance..
The older son may perhaps have married in Middleton in 1964. His wife's surname isn't an unusual one, so it's hard to know if any of the many Lancashire births after 1964 are their children or not.
The younger son may have married in Middleton in 1969. His wife's surname is more unusual. If so, there are three possible births of children, in Oldham, 1971, 1983, and 1985. But also others in other places in Lancashire and elsewhere.
I can't see definite later records of any of the Oldham children, as the names aren't unusual enough.
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21 Sep 2020 10:15 |
If the 1939 record posted above for Douglas is the right one, then this is his death:
Douglas Taylor in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Douglas Taylor Death Age: 72 Birth Date: 2 Aug 1915 Registration Date: Oct 1987 Registration District: Manchester Inferred County: Greater Manchester Volume: 38 Page: 784
and possibly Margaret's death:
Margaret Taylor in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Margaret Taylor Death Age: 83 Birth Date: 9 Oct 1917 Registration Date: Jul 2001 Registration District: Kettering Inferred County: Northamptonshire Register Number: A61D District and Subdistrict: 6691A Entry Number: 251
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21 Sep 2020 10:43 |
May's sister Nellie's marriage:
Nellie Taylor in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Nellie Taylor Registration Date: Jul 1926 [Aug 1926] [Sep 1926] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Oldham Inferred County: Lancashire Spouse: Harold Schofield Volume Number: 8d Page Number: 2067
Nellie Taylor in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 Name: Nellie Taylor Gender: Female Marriage Age: 20 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1906 Marriage Date: 10 Jul 1926 Marriage Place: Tonge cum Alkrington, St Michael, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: Tonge-c-Alkrington Father: John William Taylor Spouse: Harold Schofield Reference Number: L148 Archive Roll: 636
Nellie Schofield in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Nellie Schofield Gender: Female Marital status: Married Birth Date: 14 Aug 1905 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 261 Boarshaw (?) Road Residence Place: Middleton, Lancashire, England Occupation: Roving frame Tenter (Cotton) Line Number: 21 Schedule Number: 6 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: NWAP Borough: Middleton Registration District: 467/1 Inferred Spouse: Harold Schofield Household Members: Name Harold Schofield Nellie Schofield
No children with them in 1939.
There are various Schofield/Taylor births in Lancashire in the years after 1939, including two in Oldham in the 1940s, but I can't say if they're Nellie's children or not.
Nellie Schofield in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Nellie Schofield Death Age: 77 Birth Date: 14 Aug 1905 Registration Date: Jul 1983 [Aug 1983] [Sep 1983] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Manchester Inferred County: Greater Manchester Volume: 38 Page: 0653
Nellie Schofield in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995 Name: Nellie Schofield Death Date: 16 Jul 1983 Death Place: Swinton Manchester Probate Date: 16 Nov 1983 Probate Registry: Manchester Ref: 832116244H
Home address at death: 73 Barton Road, Swinton, Manchester. Assets: £263690.
Her Will might name family members as beneficiaries. You can buy a copy of it here: https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar
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