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Nina
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1 Nov 2019 22:09 |
Are there any people from John and Rachel Lewis. They were married in 1859 in Breconshire. John Lewis was of full age and Rachel Lewis was 20. Both of them had the name Lewis when they got married. Thank you
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Rambling
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1 Nov 2019 22:29 |
Hi Mina , have you tried searching trees by clicking on 'Search' at top of page? Have you found the couple on a census and did they have children?
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1 Nov 2019 22:34 |
Just for ref the marriage cert is on Find my past which gives Rachel's age as 20 father John occupation Smith, and John Lewis of full age father James.
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1 Nov 2019 22:37 |
Probable
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census High Street, Vaynor, Merthyr Tydfil, Breconshire, Wales
John Lewis Head Married Male 26 1835 Ironstone Miner Llandybie, Carmarthenshire, Wales Rachell Lewis Wife Married Female 22 1839 - Vaynor, Brecknockshire, Wales James Lewis Son - Male 1 1860 - Vaynor, Brecknockshire, Wales
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1 Nov 2019 22:53 |
?? 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census High Street, Vaynor, Merthyr Tydfil, Breconshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Roger Vaughn Head Married Male 70 1781 Publican Brecknockshire, Wales Mary Vaughn Wife Married Female 61 1790 - Brecknockshire, Wales Roger Vaughn Son Unmarried Male 22 1829 Blacksmith Brecknockshire, Wales Watkin Vaughn Son Unmarried Male 20 1831 Blacksmith Brecknockshire, Wales Samuel Davis Visitor Unmarried Male 28 1823 Blacksmith Brecknockshire, Wales Elizabeth Vaughn Servant - Female 15 1836 House Servant Brecknockshire, Wales Rachel Lewis Servant - Female 13 1838 House Servant Brecknockshire, Wales <<<<<<<<<<
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1 Nov 2019 23:12 |
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Field Street, Vaynor, Merthyr Tydfil, Breconshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Lewis Head Married Male 37 1834 - Breconshire, Wales Rachel Lewis Wife - Female 32 1839 - Breconshire, Wales James Lewis Son - Male 14 1857 Haulier Breconshire, Wales
John is a Miner born Ystradgynlais, Breconshire Rachel and James born Cefn Coed y Cymmer (the village lies within the community of Vaynor)
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1 Nov 2019 23:32 |
?? 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census 159, High Street, Vainor (Brecon), Merthyr Tydfil, Breconshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Lewis Head Married Male 46 1835 Platelayers Labourer Carmarthenshire, Wales Rachel Lewis Wife Married Female 42 1839 - Vaynor, Brecknockshire, Wales James Lewis Son Single Male 21 1860 Coal Miner Vaynor, Brecknockshire, Wales Mary Ann Lewis Daughter Single Female 17 1864 Dom Servant Unemployed Vaynor, Brecknockshire, Wales Thomas Lewis Son Single Male 13 1868 Coal Miner Vaynor, Brecknockshire, Wales
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At last - an approx. age for her Father
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Field Street, Vaynor, Merthyr Tydfil, Breconshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Lewis Head Married Male 57 1834 Collier Carmarthenshire, Wales Rachel Lewis Wife Married Female 53 1838 - Breconshire, Wales David Lewis Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Breconshire, Wales John Lewis Father In Law Widower Male 82 1809 Retired Blacksmith Breconshire, Wales William Evans Son In Law Married Male 24 1867 Haulier In Colliery Breconshire, Wales Elizabeth Evans Daughter Married Female 18 1873 - Breconshire, Wales
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1 Nov 2019 23:34 |
?? 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census High Street, Vaynor, Merthyr Tydfil, Breconshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Lewis Head Married Male 41 1810 Black Smith Llandilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales Ann Lewis Wife Married Female 36 1815 - Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Alice Lewis Daughter - Female 9 1842 - Coven, Brecknockshire, Wales Rachel Harris Step Daughter - Female 9 1842 - Coven, Brecknockshire, Wales
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1 Nov 2019 23:47 |
??? This and next post very tentative at the moment - just looking around and wanting to post as now too tired to concentrate
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: HARRIS, RACHEL EDWARDS GRO Reference: 1841 D Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL UNION Volume 26 Page 382
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2 Nov 2019 00:01 |
?? Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: LEWIS, ALICE WILLIAMS GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL UNION Volume 26 Page 416
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First name(s) John Last name Lewis Birth year - Event year 1826 Banns year - Marriage year 1826 Marriage date 02 Oct 1826 Marriage place Y Faenor Residence Vaynor Spouse's first name(s) Martha Spouse's last name Williams Spouse's birth year - Spouse's residence Vaynor County Breconshire Country Wales Event Marriage Record set Breconshire Marriages And Banns Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from Wales, Great Britain Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru
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Faenor, Breconshire, Wales Genealogy - FamilySearch https://www.familysearch.org › wiki › Faenor,_Breconshire,_Wales_Genea... VAINOR, or VAYNOR (Y FAENOR or MAENOR), a parish, in the union of Merthyr- Tydvil, ... For more information see Vaynor, Breconshire at Genuki.org.uk ...
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3 Nov 2019 16:39 |
As you've posted on the "Find Living Relatives" board, Nina, I assume you're looking for descendants of John and Rachel?
The daughter Mary Ann (see 1881 census above) seems to have married yet another Lewis:
??? Marriages Jun 1886 (>99%) LEWIS Alexander Bedwelty 11a 152 LEWIS Mary Ann Bedwelty 11a 152
Mary Ann Lewis in the 1891 Wales Census Name: Mary Ann Lewis Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Alexander Lewis Gender: Female Where born: Cefn Coed, Breconshire, Wales Civil Parish: Vaynor Ecclesiastical parish: Vaynor Town: Cefn coed County/Island: Breconshire Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Sub registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Neighbors: Piece: 4441 Folio: 60 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Alexander Lewis 28 Mary Ann Lewis 27 John Lewis 4 - Rhymnyey, Monmouthshire, Wales Thomas Lewis 1 - Cefn Coed, Breconshire, Wales
Mary Ann Lewis in the 1901 Wales Census Name: Mary Ann Lewis Age in 1901: 37 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation: Wife Spouse: Alexander Lewis Gender: Female Where born: Cefn Coed, Breconshire, Wales Civil Parish: Vaynor Town: Cefn Coed y Cymmer Ecclesiastical parish: St Gwendoline County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 67 Piece: 5032 Folio: 9 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Alexander Lewis 38 Mary Ann Lewis 37 John Lewis 14 Thomas Lewis 11 Ann Lewis 7 David Lewis 4 Alexander Lewis 11 Months
It's hard to pinpoint the children's births, in order to try following them into marriage and parenthood. They don't have unusual names.
For instance, there are four births of boys named Thomas Lewis, with mms Lewis, in Merthyr Tydfil reg district 1889-1891.
LEWIS, ALEXANDER mms LEWIS GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 756
Alexander junior in 1939:
Alexander Lewis in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Alexander Lewis Gender: Male Marital status: Married Birth Date: 12 Apr 1900 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 15 Field Street Residence Place: Vaynor and Penderyn, Breconshire, Wales Occupation: Colliery Hewer Schedule Number: 206 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: XBJA Registration district: 610B:1 Inferred Spouse: Margaret Lewis Household Members: Name Alexander Lewis Margaret Lewis (and one closed record)
Thank goodness he broke family tradition and didn't marry another Lewis - though Williams isn't much better to trace:
Marriages Jun 1926 (>99%) Lewis Alexander Williams Merthyr T. 11a 1273 Williams Margaret M Lewis Merthyr Tydfil 11a 1273
A close look at the 1939 record on Ancestry seems to show part of a notification of change of name at some time, so presumably the closed record in 1939 is a girl. However, that still leaves a choice of 25 Lewis /Williams female births in Merthyr 1927-39.
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ArgyllGran
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3 Nov 2019 16:54 |
John & Rachel in 1901:
David Lewis in the 1901 Wales Census Name: David Lewis Age in 1901: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1882 Relation: Son Father: John Lewis Mother: Rachel Lewis Gender: Male Where born: Cefn Coed, Breconshire, Wales Civil Parish: Vaynor Town: Cefn Coed y Cymmer Ecclesiastical parish: St Gwendoline County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 79 Piece: 5032 Folio: 11 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age John Lewis 66 Rachel Lewis 62 David Lewis 19 Elizabeth Evans 28 - daughter, married Mary Evans 5 - grand-daughter John Evans 3 - grandson David Jenkins 23 - boarder
There's more than one marriage which might be Elizabeth's, pre-1896, and more than one John or Mary Evans/Lewis birth.
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Nina
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4 Nov 2019 20:08 |
Thank you to everyone who has replied. It will take me a while to sort through your replies. A friend in Canada was asking if anybody knew the family as she is related to David, one of the sons. xx
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