Find Living Relatives

So you think your George is the Epworth one?

Was Margaret Mary Lambert Donaldson definitely in your family? As you had her exact DOB before you started this thread, it would seem so.

If so, what makes you think the Scottish Donaldson family are linked to the Epworth family?

Where did you get the name Patrick from? Mr McCormick is only referred to as James in censuses - no mention of Patrick.
Where and when did James and Rosina/Rose marry?


Other unanswered questions from earlier posts in this thread:

Have you found your George's birth record? Is it the 1894 Mansfield one which RG posted?

You say that Rose 1883 died aged 5 years - but she's on the 1891 census. Or is that a different Rose? Where did your information come from?

You said the family were in the 1901 census as Donaldson, all born in Epworth. Please can you copy/paste that, as we can't find it.

What's the story with Florrie? You say she's a daughter of James and Rose - but her maiden surname was Dawson, apparently.
And she wasn't with the family in 1891, when she would only have been about 5.
She wasn't with them in 1901 either, unless Polly and Florrie are one and the same person.

What definite facts do you have - ie - proved by means of birth/death/marriage certs?

We have only managed to find the birth records of the daughters Ann Elizabeth and Mary (and MAYBE George if the Mansfield one is correct). Have you found any others?

Hi,
Thank you so very much, for all the Donaldson info,some how I have mixed up the George Donaldson b 1853/6. I know that his father was James Donaldson or (McCormick) and not Hugh Donaldson.
The connection is somewhere with the McCormicks at Epworth.
The Ancestry denisejarvis417 is my eldest sister, we have both been working on this for a long time.
Thank you once again for all your help
Regards
Jill

This will be George's brother Hugh Murray Donaldson, born 1884 in Newington district, not his father.


Hugh Murray Donaldson
in the UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Name: Hugh Murray Donaldson
Birth Place: Edinburgh, Midlothian
Residence: Leith, Midlothian
Death Date: 4 Oct 1917
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Leith, Midlothian
Rank: L Corporal
Regiment: King's Own Scottish Borders
Battalion: 2nd Battalion
Regimental Number: 18448
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre



Lance Corporal DONALDSON, M
Service Number 18448
Died 04/10/1917
2nd Bn.
King's Own Scottish Borderers


I won't post any more until I know whether it's the Scottish Donaldsons you're interested in, or the Epworth McCormicks.

On Ancestry, beside the 1901 census, the Ancestry tree owner (is this you, Jill ?)has added this note:

"denisejarvis417
Think this is my great grandad hoping to find his son George 's birthplace."

Well, George was born in Edinburgh - one of these births - almost certainly the first one, as no middle name, and Dumbiedykes Road is in the Canongate area:


DONALDSON
GEORGE
M
1894
685/3 685
Canongate


DONALDSON
GEORGE HENRY
M
1894
685/3 1039
Canongate


DONALDSON
GEORGE ARCHIBAL[d]
M
1895
685/5 71
Newington

I don't have any more credits to spare at present, but 6 credits (£1.50) would let you see the cert to verify parents' names. (Minimum purchase : 30 credits)

Do you want more info about the ancestors of the correct George in Scotland, or is it really the Epworth family you're interested in?

OK -

Your assumption of Patrick McCormick being your George's father is entirely wrong, so we can forget that family in Epworth (unless they're who you're really interested in? ).

You started this thread asking about the daughter of George Donaldson and Elizabeth Lambert.

I've had a look at George and Elizabeth's marriage cert, which should have been your starting point in any case.

They were married on 25 July 1921, at 53 [63 ?] George IV Bridge, Edinburgh, by declaration in presence of David Donaldson, chauffeur, and Agnes Syme, hosiery machinist.


[ Info here about a "marriage by declaration":
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/article/irregular-marriage-scotland ]

Elizabeth:
23, spinster, dairy shop assistant. Parents - John Lambert, joiner, and Margaret Lambert, mms Mair.

George:
27, bachelor, cable car conductor. Parents - HUGH MURRAY DONALDSON, tailor, and Margaret Donaldson, mms Anderson.


So George's parents' marriage:

DONALDSON
HUGH MURRAY
ANDERSON
MARGARET ALEXAN[der]
1883
685/4 236
St Giles


George with parents and siblings in 1901:

Hugh Donaldson
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Hugh Donaldson
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Donaldson
Gender: Male
Where born: Dalry, gallway [ Galloway ]
Registration Number: 685/5
Registration district: Newington
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Leonards
County: Midlothian
Address: 93 Dumbridykes Rd [Dumbiedykes Rd]
Occupation: Tailor
ED: 16
Household schedule number: 53
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1901_385
Household Members:
Name Age
Hugh Donaldson 37
Margaret Donaldson 36
Janet Donaldson 16
Hugh Donaldson 16
Catherine Donaldson 14
Margaret Donaldson 13
George Donaldson 7
James Donaldson 4
William Donaldson 2
Jane Donaldson 1
Alexander Anderson 18 - stepson

Someone on Ancestry (denisejarvis417) has two versions of a family tree - one offering the 1891 census (which says Rose was born in India) as the only "proof" and giving Thompson as an alternative surname for Rose McNab, without explanation.

The other is based on the 1901 census (the only "proof" of anything), which says that Rose's birthplace was London.

New thread started about Patrick:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1375639

Please stick to this thread (ie - not the new one) , Jill, to keep everything together, and to save helpers repeating research already done.

MCCORMACK, ANN ELIZABETH mms MACNAB
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in THORNE Volume 09C Page 728


MCCORMICK, MARY mms MCNAB
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in THORNE Volume 09C Page 761


Have you found birth records for any of the other children, Jill?
Or are you just going by the approximate years of birth shown on censuses?

Where and when did Patrick James marry Rosina/Rose?

Is this Rose's death?

Deaths Jun 1907 (>99%)
DONALDSON Rose 42 Thorne 9c 509


Can you post the 1901 census with them listed as Donaldson please as I'm not seeing it.

Re your last post, Jill -

you say young Rose was born 1883 and died aged 5 years.

But she's on the 1891 census, aged 8. Or is that a different Rose?

????


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MCCORMICK, JAMES WILLIAM JOWSEY
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH Volume 09D Page 530


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MCCORMICK, GEORGE EDWARD JOWSEY
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH Volume 09D Page 562



Is that a different family then that I have posted for 1901?

For our reference:

Rose Mc Cormick
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Rose Mc Cormick
Gender: Female
Age: 8
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1883
Father: James Mc Cormick
Mother: Rose Mc Cormick
Birth Place: Durham, England
Civil Parish: Hatfield
Residence Place: Hatfield, Hatfield, Yorkshire, England
Sub registration district: Thorne
ED, Institution or Vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 3869
Folio: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
James Mc Cormick 42 - Ireland
Rose Mc Cormick 33 - India, British subject
Rose Mc Cormick 8
Annie Mc Cormick 6 - Hatfield
James Mc Cormick 4 - Hatfield
Mary Mc Cormick 2 - Hatfield


I don't see Florrie in 1891.
And Polly? Where have you found her?

EDIT:
Have just noticed Polly on the 1901 census posted by RG.

So James in 1911 was Henry Mourby's brother-in-law, because he was Florrie's half-brother?

And Annie Elizabeth was James's half-sister. I see - the 1911 census now makes sense.

BUT -

Florrie's maiden surname was Dawson, going by Sarah's birth record, as well as Florrie's marriage ???


Re John Donaldson (a new name in the mix) -
presumably Rose couldn't marry him as she was still married to Patrick.

Hi,
I have just been going through my old paper records and have found the McCormick family in Thorne, Nr Hatfield

Father Patrick(James) McCormick b Ireland
who married Rosina/Rose Ellen McNab (British subject)
Rose 1883 -died aged 5yrs
Florrie 1884 m H Mourby
Annie Elizabeth 1885 Emg to Canada m Chambers
Polly 1886 died?
James William 1887, (Grandfather) m Mable Matthews
Mary Ellen 1889
All down as born at Haylin, Thorne,Hatfield on the 1891 CENSUS
Daisy 1892
George 1894( Great uncle)m Elizabeth Lambert

1901 Census most of them were down as born at Epworth under the name of Donaldson.
Rose died in 1907 and is buried at Epworth, James was with her at death as a Donaldson and her husband John Donaldson was away at sea??
I have not been able to find a marraige to a John Donaldson between 1894 -1901
Jill
Thank you so much for help

Or is this your George (it would help to know his middle name)

Transcription:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
West Carr, Epworth, Epworth (Lincoln), Thorne, Lincolnshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

James McCormick Head Married Male 55 1846 Agricultural Labourer London, Middlesex, England
Rose McCormick Wife Married Female 42 1859 - London, Middlesex, England
Annie McCormick Daughter Single Female 17 1884 General Servt Domestic Yorkshire, England
Polly McCormick Daughter Single Female 14 1887 General Servt Domestic Yorkshire, England
Daisy McCormick Daughter Single Female 9 1892 - Yorkshire, England
George McCormick Son Single Male 7 1894 - Yorkshire, England

From the death registration, he is George E. So would this not be his birth?

Births Mar 1894 (>99%)
Donaldson George Ethelbert Mansfield 7b 104


No mother's maiden name on the GRO index

Is this George in 1911 please?

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales
Knaith Hall Stables Gainsboro, Knaith, Lincolnshire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Alfred Lawry Head Single Male 20 1891 Groom Domestic Boston Spa Yorks
George Donaldson Boarder Single Male 16 1895 Groom Domestic Epworth Notts

Trying to make sense of that 1911 family - although I don't know if that James Donaldson is yours or not :

Marriages Mar 1909 (>99%)
DAWSON Florry Goole 9c 1015
MOURBY Harry Goole 9c 1015
MOURLY Harry Goole 9c 1015
MOUSLY Harry Goole 9c 1015

Sarah Ann's birth:

MORBY, SARAH ANN mms DAWSON
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in GOOLE Volume 09C Page 981

Aha! Can this be James in 1911? But with wife (???) Annie Elizabeth? did James marry twice?
EDIT: But the image says both Annie and James are single. Confusing, to say the least.


James Donaldson
in the 1911 England Census
Name: James Donaldson
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Epworth, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Goole
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 27 Second Avenue Goole
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Labourer Dock
Registration district: Goole
Registration District Number: 514
Sub-registration district: Goole
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 28284
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Mourby 21 - Head
Florrie Mourby 25 - wife
Annie Elizabeth Donaldson 24 - sister [sister-in-law on image ] - single ????
James Donaldson 22 - brother-in-law - single ?????
Sarah Ann Mourby 1
William Armer 53
George Cooper 30